While you make some very good points(and while making them you do so in a fashion thats not insulting, kudos) you may have missed my point. In that old cartoon movie(which I own, and actually HAVE watched recently) the characters were THE SAME as the ones from the cartoon. There didn't have to be an Earth in the movie as they were on Cybertron, the planet they originated from.
As for arguing over the differences being pointless because they have gone through several iterations over the years, I must disagree. Bay did not call this "Transformers: Bay Edition." He called it transformers, and used the characters made famous in the first iteration. All the new iterations were simply made to sell a new line of toys, same as the first one was. Money before art, the old rule still applies.
However, I will agree with you. It was a *FUN* movie in that I could go to the theater and be entertained by big robots fighting on a large screen and munch on popcorn. However, as I was a big fan of the original and most famous G1 transformers, I felt let down by all the changes which WERE unneccesary. The only reason they made a movie about transformers was to make money and every change was made in the interest to push products and make more money, but the only reason they COULD make money was that transformers was popular in the FIRST place.
People talk about 300 needing to appolagize for the crap history tale. Strange how they don't ask for Transformers to do the same.
Transformers was garbage for the same reason every superhero movie done by Hollywood is garbage. The director has to put his own 'vision' on the screen and change the story and characters and setup and EVERYTHING about it to either make it more viable to a wider audience, or put thier own spin on it.
In the Transformers cartoon, which is what became famous not Bay's jizzstain of a movie, Optimus Prime was a flat nose semi, not a long nose truck, Bumblebee was a WV bug not a Camaro(if they had to use the Camaro why not use the Hot Rod character?), the reason for being on Earth was the search for Energon, not this crap story about an All Spark, Starscream wasn't an F22, etc etc. The fans fell in love with the show the way it was, changing everything about it will only serve to do what it did: piss us off. As soon as I heard Bay was directing Transformers my expectations for the movie dropped to near nothing. I had HOPED Spielberg could rein him in and not make it his usual waste of a moviegoers time, but sadly he didn't.
If you liked the movie, well, you're entitled to your own opinion but watch it again and watch it carefully and see everything that was bad. Those transformations sequences were so busy and with the cam moving all over the place it was damn near impossible to see just what the hell was going on. Plus we didn't really need the stupid love angle with Sam and his lust object.
One of the things I've noticed that no one has brought up is how used to the machine the farmer is. Most of the time, accidents happen because someone has become complacent and has done something dangerous 1 million times in the past and been lucky enough to get away with it. When they keep getting away with it, they forget the danger is there, and they keep doing it. It happens a lot and it kills more old guys here in the oil patch than anything else.
The farmer had probably pulled corn out of the machine the same way many times before without a problem, and thats why he didn't shut it off, de-engerize it, and test it before he worked on it. Proper procedure wasn't followed, and he paid the price for it. Yes, it was stupidity on his part, but sadly its a rather common thing.
Why do people keep bitching that the Wii isn't a next gen console becuase the graphics aren't being delivered by a Geforce 99million or an ATI HD26000000? The console is fun, the games are fun and we have access to a large library of classic games. Sega, NES, SNES, N64, TurboGraphix 16, NeoGeo, all these systems have classic old school games that us old timers(and I'm only 25 for crying out loud) remember and want to play again.
The fun of a game comes from the gameplay and the story, not from the shiny graphics, get it through your skulls already. Thats why the Wii is outselling the competition. Not EVERY gamer is a hardcore graphic addict, some of us could care less if our game has 8 bit characters running around if its a game we enjoy.
If you really want super realistic graphics, get off your fat ass and go outside. Very high resolution out there, and it costs less than the PS3.
Not a next gen console cause of its specs? What, are you kidding me? Since when did specs alone determine a next gen console? Since when did technology become an amusment park ride? "Sorry, you must have specs this high to be on the next gen ride."
I guess Final Fantasy 3, Chrono Trigger, and other old time favorite RPG games can no longer be called video games. They're specs aren't high enough, the graphics aren't pretty enough, nope. Not a video game anymore, sorry.
Wake up Matt. Specs don't make a console. Fun gameplay, gripping storyline and reactive controls make a game. If a standalone unit can play these games, its a console. If its the latest unit from the company making it, its next gen.
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While you make some very good points(and while making them you do so in a fashion thats not insulting, kudos) you may have missed my point. In that old cartoon movie(which I own, and actually HAVE watched recently) the characters were THE SAME as the ones from the cartoon. There didn't have to be an Earth in the movie as they were on Cybertron, the planet they originated from.
As for arguing over the differences being pointless because they have gone through several iterations over the years, I must disagree. Bay did not call this "Transformers: Bay Edition." He called it transformers, and used the characters made famous in the first iteration. All the new iterations were simply made to sell a new line of toys, same as the first one was. Money before art, the old rule still applies.
However, I will agree with you. It was a *FUN* movie in that I could go to the theater and be entertained by big robots fighting on a large screen and munch on popcorn. However, as I was a big fan of the original and most famous G1 transformers, I felt let down by all the changes which WERE unneccesary. The only reason they made a movie about transformers was to make money and every change was made in the interest to push products and make more money, but the only reason they COULD make money was that transformers was popular in the FIRST place.
People talk about 300 needing to appolagize for the crap history tale. Strange how they don't ask for Transformers to do the same.
Transformers was no where close to second best
Transformers was garbage for the same reason every superhero movie done by Hollywood is garbage. The director has to put his own 'vision' on the screen and change the story and characters and setup and EVERYTHING about it to either make it more viable to a wider audience, or put thier own spin on it.
In the Transformers cartoon, which is what became famous not Bay's jizzstain of a movie, Optimus Prime was a flat nose semi, not a long nose truck, Bumblebee was a WV bug not a Camaro(if they had to use the Camaro why not use the Hot Rod character?), the reason for being on Earth was the search for Energon, not this crap story about an All Spark, Starscream wasn't an F22, etc etc. The fans fell in love with the show the way it was, changing everything about it will only serve to do what it did: piss us off. As soon as I heard Bay was directing Transformers my expectations for the movie dropped to near nothing. I had HOPED Spielberg could rein him in and not make it his usual waste of a moviegoers time, but sadly he didn't.
If you liked the movie, well, you're entitled to your own opinion but watch it again and watch it carefully and see everything that was bad. Those transformations sequences were so busy and with the cam moving all over the place it was damn near impossible to see just what the hell was going on. Plus we didn't really need the stupid love angle with Sam and his lust object.
Complacent?
One of the things I've noticed that no one has brought up is how used to the machine the farmer is. Most of the time, accidents happen because someone has become complacent and has done something dangerous 1 million times in the past and been lucky enough to get away with it. When they keep getting away with it, they forget the danger is there, and they keep doing it. It happens a lot and it kills more old guys here in the oil patch than anything else.
The farmer had probably pulled corn out of the machine the same way many times before without a problem, and thats why he didn't shut it off, de-engerize it, and test it before he worked on it. Proper procedure wasn't followed, and he paid the price for it. Yes, it was stupidity on his part, but sadly its a rather common thing.
Ooooh Shiny!
Why do people keep bitching that the Wii isn't a next gen console becuase the graphics aren't being delivered by a Geforce 99million or an ATI HD26000000? The console is fun, the games are fun and we have access to a large library of classic games. Sega, NES, SNES, N64, TurboGraphix 16, NeoGeo, all these systems have classic old school games that us old timers(and I'm only 25 for crying out loud) remember and want to play again.
The fun of a game comes from the gameplay and the story, not from the shiny graphics, get it through your skulls already. Thats why the Wii is outselling the competition. Not EVERY gamer is a hardcore graphic addict, some of us could care less if our game has 8 bit characters running around if its a game we enjoy.
If you really want super realistic graphics, get off your fat ass and go outside. Very high resolution out there, and it costs less than the PS3.
Not a next gen console?
Not a next gen console cause of its specs? What, are you kidding me? Since when did specs alone determine a next gen console? Since when did technology become an amusment park ride? "Sorry, you must have specs this high to be on the next gen ride."
I guess Final Fantasy 3, Chrono Trigger, and other old time favorite RPG games can no longer be called video games. They're specs aren't high enough, the graphics aren't pretty enough, nope. Not a video game anymore, sorry.
Wake up Matt. Specs don't make a console. Fun gameplay, gripping storyline and reactive controls make a game. If a standalone unit can play these games, its a console. If its the latest unit from the company making it, its next gen.