"It’s not entirely clear to me why the Beagleboard is so expensive. Somebody in that Beagleboard value chain has got to be making a pile of money – I mean, $175 for a Pandaboard or $100 for a Beagleboard? Somebody’s got to be amassing a pile of cash there, because that’s a $10 chip in that device. I don’t know why they’re so expensive."
I believe that was the video recorder episode (series 2, episode 5). FYI, all episodes available for free (and legal) download here: http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/SLOM/index.html
Seems like another case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
I'd have though generalizing GWT's java-to-javascript compiler technology would be time/money better spent so that it could do stuff like support different language front-ends (because choice is always good right?).
Alternatively maybe Google could convince W3C to standardize on some intermediate code format that browsers could eventually execute or JIT instead of (or initially as well as) having the burden of hosting a fully fledged Javascript engine.
If modern Javascript engines can do stuff like this (http://bellard.org/jslinux/) then I'm sure a JVM or CLR execution engine implemented in Javascript with appropriate tie-ins into the browser and DOM would run quite well. Theoretically it should already be possible for end application developers to do highly portable, high performance client-side scripting whilst avoiding having to actually code in Javascript at all.
Apple and Microsoft do not want to see Android succeed for obvious reasons. However, I suspect Oracle do want it to succeed, so long as they get the cut to which they believe they are entitled.
When I was a 'yoof', I too was guilty of listening to music with headphones way too loud, although not on public transport because back then portable CD players were way too expensive and I never really felt the desire for a cassette walkman.
Now I'm in my early 30s, I can definitely tell my hearing is on the way out. It's not such a big deal right now, although my ability to isolate individual sounds in a noisy environment is alarmingly bad (I'm useless at conversations in the pub) and the high-end frequency response of my left ear is somewhat worse than my right ear. I expect by the time I'm in my 50s, I might need a hearing aid.
Kids now listen to loud music way more than I did. Antisocial implications aside, I think we're going to have an awful lot of very deaf 40 year old men and women walking around in 20-25 years time. Thinking ahead, maybe I should consider developing a hearing-aid app for the iPhone....
...that this kind of exercise is akin to implementing PC virtualization with a SPICE simulator. It's going to be massively inefficient any which way you look at it. If anyone were even qualified to implement a super efficient neural network in real hardware, it would be Furber! I hope this work leads him to such a solution someday.
Who the hell stores passwords as plain text these days?! It's enough to set off one of my, not necessarily appropriate, tirades about Java programmers and the uselessness that streams from universities these days. I'll try to keep a lid on it.
Why not just migrate Android away from Java? I'm not exactly sure what's it's supposed to bring to the table anyway. If a managed runtime really is necessary (and I personally don't think it is), it's not as if Google lack the resources to design a language/toolchain/runitme all of their own. Hell, if Microsoft can do it, Google can. Sure developers would have to learn a new language, but then how many Objective-C developers were there until the iPhone arrived? In any case, once you know one C-style language you're at least half the way to knowing any other.
A company is valued more on its revenue than on its profit. ARM might only make a couple of pence profit on each processor shipped, but in reality it must make more than that and pump it straight back into the company - as any sensible company should.
ARM's overheads have got to be a tiny fraction of those incurred by the likes of Intel or AMD, so they don't need to make that much money. A £50m quterly profit is pretty good going for a chip company that is not only fabless but also does not even have to commission production runs of its own designs - They don't even need to market their designs in the way their licencees do.
"Why? We've already seen with Linux that for all the vendors efforts to compete in Unix, the real competition - and the real money - was found in complementary software, services, and hardware."
You've pretty much answered your own question there.
Maybe I'm being really thick (which wouldn't surprise me given how ill I am at the moment), but I'm not sure your figures are right.
Your calculation appears to be: 51678.72 * 47 / 1000000 = 2.429MB
So this is in fact assuming 1 byte per colour, not one bit - Which makes more sense given you previously stated a colour depth of 8. Although it's not clear if that is a depth of 8 bits or a depth of 8 colours.
That aside, shouldn't the calculation be: 51678.72 * 47 * 47 / 1000000 = 114.16MB?
The resolution is 47 dots per inch and therefore 2209 dots per square inch.
The amount of FUD the BBC has been coming out with over the last few days (never mind the rest of the time) has been intolerable. Is it actually possible to get any world news these days without it being diluted 9 parts bullshit, 1 part fact?
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"It’s not entirely clear to me why the Beagleboard is so expensive. Somebody in that Beagleboard value chain has got to be making a pile of money – I mean, $175 for a Pandaboard or $100 for a Beagleboard? Somebody’s got to be amassing a pile of cash there, because that’s a $10 chip in that device. I don’t know why they’re so expensive."
Someone's been reading too much Dr. Seuss.
"LEDs are more of a problem as no one has managed to print them onto a flexible substrate yet"
What about OLEDs?
Re: rusty?
I believe that was the video recorder episode (series 2, episode 5). FYI, all episodes available for free (and legal) download here: http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/SLOM/index.html
'...and would removed from the plane if this kind of behavior continued.'
Whilst the plane was airborne? A slightly disproportionate response perhaps?
The eighties called...
..it wants its red paint back.
'although with only 6GB of the internal 6GB of RAM'
Huh?
Electricity was not invented, it was discovered. In any case, Edison's system sucked.
I wonder how much machinery is upstairs. If there's just goods in/out and offices downstairs, the loss isn't *THAT* bad.
The reason for the horror that is Unity becomes clearer.
Just think how many Chinese students' lives are going to be RUINED by this move! (http://www.wkow.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184&nav=menu1362_8_6)
I wonder...
how many patents Microsoft thinks FreeBSD or NetBSD violate?
Sorry
Didn't take in what it was saying properly. What can I say? I'm tired.
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GWT?
Seems like another case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
I'd have though generalizing GWT's java-to-javascript compiler technology would be time/money better spent so that it could do stuff like support different language front-ends (because choice is always good right?).
Alternatively maybe Google could convince W3C to standardize on some intermediate code format that browsers could eventually execute or JIT instead of (or initially as well as) having the burden of hosting a fully fledged Javascript engine.
If modern Javascript engines can do stuff like this (http://bellard.org/jslinux/) then I'm sure a JVM or CLR execution engine implemented in Javascript with appropriate tie-ins into the browser and DOM would run quite well. Theoretically it should already be possible for end application developers to do highly portable, high performance client-side scripting whilst avoiding having to actually code in Javascript at all.
Let the lawsuits begin...
It's a rectangle with a screen in it.
/^v.+b$/iJust a bit of BASH will do for me.
sudo rm -rf /*
It's all about...
..the IP. I really don't think Google will be using the acquisition to make hardware.
Arse about face
Dalvik <--> PNaCl
There, fixed it for them.
Yawn
Who?
MRAM
That is all.
Oracle
Apple and Microsoft do not want to see Android succeed for obvious reasons. However, I suspect Oracle do want it to succeed, so long as they get the cut to which they believe they are entitled.
Paying the price
When I was a 'yoof', I too was guilty of listening to music with headphones way too loud, although not on public transport because back then portable CD players were way too expensive and I never really felt the desire for a cassette walkman.
Now I'm in my early 30s, I can definitely tell my hearing is on the way out. It's not such a big deal right now, although my ability to isolate individual sounds in a noisy environment is alarmingly bad (I'm useless at conversations in the pub) and the high-end frequency response of my left ear is somewhat worse than my right ear. I expect by the time I'm in my 50s, I might need a hearing aid.
Kids now listen to loud music way more than I did. Antisocial implications aside, I think we're going to have an awful lot of very deaf 40 year old men and women walking around in 20-25 years time. Thinking ahead, maybe I should consider developing a hearing-aid app for the iPhone....
@tas
According to Sky Circuit's website, he already did.
http://www.skycircuits.com/news
You couldn't even take it to the genius bar.
Yeah, must be real bad. If those guys can't sort it out, no one can!
Can't help feel...
...that this kind of exercise is akin to implementing PC virtualization with a SPICE simulator. It's going to be massively inefficient any which way you look at it. If anyone were even qualified to implement a super efficient neural network in real hardware, it would be Furber! I hope this work leads him to such a solution someday.
[Sigh]
Who the hell stores passwords as plain text these days?! It's enough to set off one of my, not necessarily appropriate, tirades about Java programmers and the uselessness that streams from universities these days. I'll try to keep a lid on it.
Nice
..but can't help feel a trackball instead of a mouse would have looked better.
What's the big deal anyway?
Why not just migrate Android away from Java? I'm not exactly sure what's it's supposed to bring to the table anyway. If a managed runtime really is necessary (and I personally don't think it is), it's not as if Google lack the resources to design a language/toolchain/runitme all of their own. Hell, if Microsoft can do it, Google can. Sure developers would have to learn a new language, but then how many Objective-C developers were there until the iPhone arrived? In any case, once you know one C-style language you're at least half the way to knowing any other.
Says more...
...about the operating system than the hardware.
Has anyone
seen my oven tray?
Used in microcontrollers too...
Microchip Technology's PIC32 microcontrollers are MIPS based apparently. Never used them though, I'm happy sticking with ARM.
Hard drives?
Where we're going, we don't need hard drives!
@Anton Ivanov
A single system? Seriously?
This would happen...
...on the day I have a whole load of M2M equipment on O2 sims to test.
Interesting...
I need to see the insides of this thing!
Fun whilst it lasted...
...but next time I'm between projects, I'm going back to Fedora. Bye for now, I might come visit in a few years.
..and another thing..
A company is valued more on its revenue than on its profit. ARM might only make a couple of pence profit on each processor shipped, but in reality it must make more than that and pump it straight back into the company - as any sensible company should.
ARM's overheads have got to be a tiny fraction of those incurred by the likes of Intel or AMD, so they don't need to make that much money. A £50m quterly profit is pretty good going for a chip company that is not only fabless but also does not even have to commission production runs of its own designs - They don't even need to market their designs in the way their licencees do.
@JimC
I sincerely hope you were being ironic.
Huh?
How does Oracle suing Google over a Java related issue have anything to do with Linux?
Quite right too...
Regardless of her song's aesthetic qualities, some people really need to get a grip.
Corrections:
"And yet the force of gravity which draws us down is powerful"
No, it isn't.
"We can see, hear and speak to one another from the farthest ends of the earth."
The earth is not flat.
Too tired for titles
"Why? We've already seen with Linux that for all the vendors efforts to compete in Unix, the real competition - and the real money - was found in complementary software, services, and hardware."
You've pretty much answered your own question there.
Who cares...
It's all going to go to shit soon anyway.
Yay
More supply chain issues to worry about.
Um..
Maybe I'm being really thick (which wouldn't surprise me given how ill I am at the moment), but I'm not sure your figures are right.
Your calculation appears to be: 51678.72 * 47 / 1000000 = 2.429MB
So this is in fact assuming 1 byte per colour, not one bit - Which makes more sense given you previously stated a colour depth of 8. Although it's not clear if that is a depth of 8 bits or a depth of 8 colours.
That aside, shouldn't the calculation be: 51678.72 * 47 * 47 / 1000000 = 114.16MB?
The resolution is 47 dots per inch and therefore 2209 dots per square inch.
You're damn right
The amount of FUD the BBC has been coming out with over the last few days (never mind the rest of the time) has been intolerable. Is it actually possible to get any world news these days without it being diluted 9 parts bullshit, 1 part fact?
Nokia? Microsoft?
No, never heard of them.
Okay...
I'm curious to know what the preformed mandrel is made from?
Um....
'Each of its three cylinders run a longer the fuel intake stroke than a regular petrol engine has'
What?
ST Micro seem to be loosing the plot...
Their recently redesigned website is a clear sign of this. If ever you want to see an example of how not to design a website, go look at theirs!
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