not only will we need to get permission to watch/view what we want, but the govt will have a list. Surely this law would fail as soon as it's taken to Euro court?
From what the government is saying, it would be wrong for the German government to apologize to Jews, Homosexuals and political prisoners from circa 1940.
Well, it was in accordance with the law at the time...
they are not, all U.S. bases in the UK are MOD property. They are only leased to the United States. UK law still takes precedence. Now members of the US military are covered by SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreement) which means if they commit a crime in the UK it is tried by the military judicial system!
The whole situation is just silly. So far they haven't even charged the kid and the more it goes on the more it sounds like they are desperate to find anyone...
This is about revenge, not justice. Shame the people in authority (lol) seem hellbent on making themselves look even more like bufoons!
Is a shame this kids life may be ruined by this, but he played the game and must have known the risks. I'll be very surprised if they get a legitimate conviction out of this.
Well, the post that you originally responded to by me might have something to do with that. Which by the way was a comment on other posts throughout the thread alluding to such.
Suspect away my friend. So I tend to write things quickly and not proofread. Usually because I'm to busy and can't be asked. Even with the spelling errors, did you still understand what word I was going for?
Now that you seem to have digressed into light ad hominem attacks by picking out minutiae. I would like to ask. If you are so superior, why do you keep responding?
Different people find different things funny, you obviously don't and I respect that. I would also like to point out that I would find it just as funny when whoever was responsible is caught.
I'm well aware that anyone caught will be dealt with harshly. My point is, I doubt we are going to see a spate of "suisides" or hit attributed to this!
Bradley Manning is a scapegoat for an insecure military. The big issue with Manning is that he is in the military, he signed his rights away (pretty much). If he was a civvy I reckon they would have a much harder time trying to do what they are doing.
Also, what he is supposed to have done is completely different, he didn't deface some website. He leaked classified documents when he had a sworn duty to protect them, now, what Manning did wasn't morally wrong (my opinion considering content) he did break the law and he should get his day in court like anyone else.
But this is beside the point and not on subject...
and I thought I was wearing a tin-foil cap. They are not going to do anything dodgy to any of these they'll turn them straight over to the local police and it'll go through the courts as usual. They might get a bit of a heavy hand to make an example out of, but that'll be all!
There is nothing better then watching a politician squirm when they are caught out. Why do they even try to lie about these things, he might have got away ok if he just held his hands up and admitted it!
"Well Mr and Miss Anarchist, if we had out and out anarchy and total lack of control there'd be nothing to stop me coming round your house with a shotgun and painting your walls a nice new shade of claret!"
Except, that you have to know who they are first! Also, they would have the chance to be waiting for you with a shotgun and take you out first!
More likely, they will throw their toys out the pram again, which IMO is what led to this to begin with. If they had secured their servers/information correctly to begin with and not "Poked the hornet nest" they may not have this problem!
trying to get that to fly in court (Especially in the US)...
For a conspiracy to exist, some action needs to be taken. And then anyone who was talking about it could be considered conspirators (Can be very hard to prove just by an offhand conversation).
By your logic the US government could pretty much arrest anyone who has commented on the Faux News website.
is a few idiots who didn't protect themselves will get questioned by the police. The others are all behind proxies and will lead to a dead end.
Also, just talking in an IRC chat is not illegal, something has to connect those people to something illegal. Just visiting an Anon IRC chat or forum is not going to get you in trouble unless you do something illegal!
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So...
not only will we need to get permission to watch/view what we want, but the govt will have a list. Surely this law would fail as soon as it's taken to Euro court?
How is it different...
than say hitting it with a hammer?
The father...
found out because they have a family dog with a FB account who she didn't block, lol!
How is pardoning...
someone retroactively anything like this?
No, ofcourse I wouldn't. But were not talking about punishing someone, were talking about pardoning.
Meant...
Pardon, not Apologize...
How...
much does it cost to pardon someone who is dead?
Wouldn't...
hurt for them to do it either.
So, let me get this right...
From what the government is saying, it would be wrong for the German government to apologize to Jews, Homosexuals and political prisoners from circa 1940.
Well, it was in accordance with the law at the time...
The law is an ass!
"To avoid the appearance of improper influence"
To late! Oh, they are talking about going after Dodd.
I thought they may have been talking about themselves for some reason...
Well...
the US govt has to blame someone for their failure!
Indeed...
I would say this was done only because they had to (To much publicity). But it's still nice to see it has been recognized!
While entertaining...
I have to come down on the "it's just broke" crowd. It happens!
Actually...
they are not, all U.S. bases in the UK are MOD property. They are only leased to the United States. UK law still takes precedence. Now members of the US military are covered by SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreement) which means if they commit a crime in the UK it is tried by the military judicial system!
Gabe...
I don't care what you think about Apple. When are you going to sort out HL2 Ep3?
I know...
Ian McDiarmid!
Well...
"there are times when the argumentum ad hominem is all that is left."
You certainly prove that!
Lol...
The whole situation is just silly. So far they haven't even charged the kid and the more it goes on the more it sounds like they are desperate to find anyone...
This is about revenge, not justice. Shame the people in authority (lol) seem hellbent on making themselves look even more like bufoons!
Is a shame this kids life may be ruined by this, but he played the game and must have known the risks. I'll be very surprised if they get a legitimate conviction out of this.
Lol...
Well, the post that you originally responded to by me might have something to do with that. Which by the way was a comment on other posts throughout the thread alluding to such.
Suspect away my friend. So I tend to write things quickly and not proofread. Usually because I'm to busy and can't be asked. Even with the spelling errors, did you still understand what word I was going for?
Now that you seem to have digressed into light ad hominem attacks by picking out minutiae. I would like to ask. If you are so superior, why do you keep responding?
Different people find different things funny, you obviously don't and I respect that. I would also like to point out that I would find it just as funny when whoever was responsible is caught.
;-)
That was the whole point I was making...
we are not going to see a spate of sponsored assasinations over this. The most that will happen is some harsh jail time!
Not like any of this equals the apocolypse or anything.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13848510 (now that is funny)!
Oh...
I'm well aware that anyone caught will be dealt with harshly. My point is, I doubt we are going to see a spate of "suisides" or hit attributed to this!
Funny...
I thought this was about Lulzsec and the CIA hack. I do think there may be a thread somewhere about Manning!
I know...
it's like those people who go around posting their inane opinions on news sites...
I mean, what a waste of time, like anyone cares about their thoughts!
Or...
the CIA, and there record for getting things done!
Nooooo...
Bradley Manning is a scapegoat for an insecure military. The big issue with Manning is that he is in the military, he signed his rights away (pretty much). If he was a civvy I reckon they would have a much harder time trying to do what they are doing.
Also, what he is supposed to have done is completely different, he didn't deface some website. He leaked classified documents when he had a sworn duty to protect them, now, what Manning did wasn't morally wrong (my opinion considering content) he did break the law and he should get his day in court like anyone else.
But this is beside the point and not on subject...
Oh please...
and I thought I was wearing a tin-foil cap. They are not going to do anything dodgy to any of these they'll turn them straight over to the local police and it'll go through the courts as usual. They might get a bit of a heavy hand to make an example out of, but that'll be all!
You...
have watched to much Bourne...
Way to go...
now everyone will be after it, lol!
Hot Dog...
There is nothing better then watching a politician squirm when they are caught out. Why do they even try to lie about these things, he might have got away ok if he just held his hands up and admitted it!
Internet tough guy!
"Well Mr and Miss Anarchist, if we had out and out anarchy and total lack of control there'd be nothing to stop me coming round your house with a shotgun and painting your walls a nice new shade of claret!"
Except, that you have to know who they are first! Also, they would have the chance to be waiting for you with a shotgun and take you out first!
Just wondering...
if the article should have been called:
Worlds biggest tumble dryer to be called the Albert Einstein.
She is really...
in trouble if her partner is looking for his/her keys and she says she doesn't know!
Congrats to her though. :-)
Lol...
Yeah, they did get an early start!
I am seriously...
put out by this.
I signed up for the "Post Rapture orgy and looting party"!
Do...
as we say, not as we do!
"Somebody set up us the bomb."
Lol...
HHmmmmm...
Did they find a notepad saying "Anonymous, we are legion" on the server? Lol...
Could be wrong, but this makes it sound less like Anons work.
Lol...
Aliens, Ghost in the Machine!
OK...
I can handle them knocking off the prick, but to out his pron stash...
That's just wrong!
Maybe...
Sony will take away a lesson from this?
More likely, they will throw their toys out the pram again, which IMO is what led to this to begin with. If they had secured their servers/information correctly to begin with and not "Poked the hornet nest" they may not have this problem!
Way to fail Sony!
And good luck...
trying to get that to fly in court (Especially in the US)...
For a conspiracy to exist, some action needs to be taken. And then anyone who was talking about it could be considered conspirators (Can be very hard to prove just by an offhand conversation).
By your logic the US government could pretty much arrest anyone who has commented on the Faux News website.
Conspiracy can be very hard to prove...
Thing is...
you don't need to infiltrate, it's all already in the public if you know where to look.
Where...
is my crowbar?
MMmmmmmmm...
Calamari!
You must be a...
glass half empty kinda person.
You could also say it's a strength because that provides plausable deniability!
It's even worse...
when it starts to make sense!
So what you are saying...
is a few idiots who didn't protect themselves will get questioned by the police. The others are all behind proxies and will lead to a dead end.
Also, just talking in an IRC chat is not illegal, something has to connect those people to something illegal. Just visiting an Anon IRC chat or forum is not going to get you in trouble unless you do something illegal!
If you don't get it after that...
you probably never will my friend!
Says...
the Anonymous Coward!
You do realize that technically you are "Anon" right now?
How...
long do you reckon before someone finds a notepad in there saying "Sony was here"...
Lol...
I know...
after all, according to HBGary, there are only 30 people in Anon!
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