STRUCTURAL MECHANICAL, FUNCTIONAL design.. is not the same as AESTHETIC design. Which is what is actually being discussed. That the table has to be fit for purpose is a given. So nobody is suggesting a coffee table be used in a lab setting. Nice sermon though. Shame it's irrelevant.
A table with 4 legs is a brief synopsis of a functional minimum. A perfectly valid illustration.
And a good metaphor for the extent of Apple's "immaculate industrial design".. A bare minimum of effort.
A metal hoop between two sheets of glass. Not exactly incredible industrial design. More minimum effort.
iProducts are dull and repetitive. If you can't handle that information.. Tough.
And echoing PT Barnum.. You are obviously the one.
Excessive anything is bad. Why be surprised that excessive porn users have problems, when we are not surprised excessive drinkers get drunk more often, and are prone to alcoholism, or excessive eaters are quite likely to be obese.
Ok.. Penny pinching, license dodging, idiot exploiter it is then.
See.. We can totally ignore the fact that a company that skims an unusually high mark-up is using a dodgy company to manufacture it's goods just like you do.
Buuuuut.. You can see the components.. And it's small. So they must be exactly the same.. Right?
Consumer electronics devices as any fool knows, are made of the casing, and specially encapsulated unicorns. Which is why you can't open them. Because the Unicorn might escape.
Please bear in mind, the people who seem most offended by the Pi stuff seem to be the least able to understand exactly what it is. Which is perhaps why they are so willing to expose their ignorance when screeching against it. I've lost count of the times a Pi board was compared to an Arduino by some twit on a forum somewhere.
If they were school property, would they not be under a service contract of some kind, instead of a warranty? In which case, if it's a write off, it is because it is so badly damaged that it is impossible to fix, not a voided warranty.
It's hardly difficult to read Amazon format books on a Kobo. You can convert practically any format to be readable on practically any device. Would that really be a major influence on your choice of e-reader?
I live in visual range of Crystal Palace, and I can remember getting ghosting, soft pictures and snow on analogue terrestrial channels. And stereo sound was very hit and miss. Sometimes two channels, sometimes left, sometimes right.
Digital.. Occasionally the picture breaks up for a few seconds, or the sound stops for a little. But that is not that common on most channels. Generally, I get perfect pin sharp colour correct picture, perfect stereo sound etc..
Analogue is more forgiving of a bad signal.. True enough. So you get a range of badness. Digital is go or no go, but when it works, it works very well.
"Don't trust the "market share" statistics unless they've separated out the "Consumer sales" numbers too. If they haven't their numbers aren't worth a damn, because they'll also include every single PC in every office, every storage cupboard, every server room, every data-centre, and so on. None of which are even slightly relevant to Apple's target market."
But entirely relevant to the computer market figures as a whole. Which is kind of the point. Counting areas where Apple do not hold a significant share is not actually cheating.
Not so easy any more. This has gone very public now. Any evidence kicked under the sofa or tipping off suspects is a strict nono. And I'm sure a few minor MPs will happily fall on their swords for the party.
All the politicians will be only too happy to see Murdoch's empire crumble, and too scared to rescue it. And the police and law enforcement will be too worried about being seen to be colluding with anybody to dare to cover up anything
Na.. It's a screened case.. Those usually cost more..
Very thin textured foil with an insulating layer is carefully folded to the exact shape and size of the case, and even provides extra protection at the sides.
You know.. I noticed the same thing. And I've bought lots of stuff that has so far resolutely failed to electrocute, poison, or otherwise damage me.
Still .. I'm sure the BNP are compiling a dossier of such crimes to show just how bad China is. Staying over there stealing jobs that were never ours to begin with.. Seducing their own women.. Eating their own food.. How dare they.
1) All e-book readers read more than one format. And usually all but one are DRM free.
2) Free ebooks are not just available in Mobi, which since the Kindle came out, has pretty much been abandoned by Amazon. So really.. You are more likely to need to convert even free books to mobi. But can download direct with ePub.
3) Calibre (great tool) supports pretty much EVERY e-book format, so converting from Mobi is just as easy as converting to mobi. And there are few, if any readers that Calibre does not recognise.
4) Amazon and Apple are the only ones who tie your book purchasing to their store. Everybody else uses ADE. So everybody else allows you to choose who you do business with.
Would you walk into Westminster Abbey and shout "Oy.. You in the frock"?
Please remember an Apple store is a place of worship. One must use the appropriate means of registering an iRequest to be attended by one of the vestal virgins. This is a solemn ritual, and must be done with the appropriate sense of occasion.
Because then we would be the same people we accuse them of being. Ignorant, closed minded and intolerant.
We can instead, examine the points they make, and de construct or validate them on their own merits. Spotting a religious rant, as opposed to a valid observation that happens to be made by a religious person is easy.
Then if we call them god bothering tossers with all the sense of a thimble, we are at the very least, speaking from a position of rational discourse. Not laughing at someone cos they believe in a god.
The guy who got fired for refusing to wear a badge with 666 on it.. God nut. Laugh at will. A fool citing an old book is still a fool. Even more so if the reference is inaccurate.
This story is not the same.
His status as a religious leader is irrelevant to me. I'm an atheist. So he is just a bloke making an observation.
Does his observation rely on the existence of a sky fairy for validity? Nope. So it merits further investigation.
Is the point he is making valid? I think yes.
Now think for a minute..
Why is a Rabbi speaking at some event or other getting quoted in a tech website, and getting such hysterical disagreement?
They spent 3 years coming up with a good way to stop bottled water companies from presenting it as a medical claim in advertising.
I know.. You want to get into one about bent bananas, and hard hats for tight rope walkers and other EU tabloid mythology. But think for just a minute. And you may very well realise that they are doing something right.
Why would a bottled water company want to make this claim? Doesn't everybody know that the cure for dehydration has always been to drink a high water content liquid? Or even eat a bit of fruit with a lot of juice, or have a cuppa?
Could the answer possibly be marketing? In which case, you know as well as I do that they will try to present their water as being higher in hydrating properties than ordinary tap water. Especially when one bottle can make up a whole quarter of your daily recommended water intake. Instead of just an eighth from a glass of water that is half the size of the bottle.
This is an important decision. Food labelling is dodgy enough as it is, and strewn with special interests and back room deals to keep any semblance of truth out of it.
Today we get bottled water companies selling over priced bottles of water as a dehydration cure.
Next week we get vitamin C sellers proclaiming on the bottle, the pills are vital to a healthy immune system. Which is true. But doesn't mention the fact that we get enough from food every day unless all we eat is meat. Or that any excess is excreted next time we have a pee.
Making a medical claim for a product is a very serious thing.
Stating the bleeding obvious as a medical claim is misleading too if done just right. And that was what took 3 years to stop happening. Not agreeing that water is essential, but figuring out rules that stop someone slapping it on a bottle of Evian.
It's so magical.. And Siri can talk back like a real person..
Think of the enhancement to objectophiles when the object of their love can talk to them. If Steve hadn't given them freedom from porn, there could be a whole range of special inflatable personal docking options..
Gimmick? Absolutely, and nothing new to be honest. A few typical phrases for maintaining the illusion, a few stock replies to common "funny questions", and the deal is done.
Because it's pointless. No matter what is said, someone will disagree. and they are right... For a given amount of right. Because each one fits the person who chooses it. And will be awkward, unfamiliar, and annoying to someone who can't give it a good week or two.
I recently switched from Gnome to KDE. And it took a week or two to get my bearings. Now I like it.
Use what you like, be open to trying a new one every now and then, and you can make your own mind up. Each one is a yum/apt/what ever away. Go see for yourself.
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Re: What about my 3 year old?
Bravo..
Such a masterful deflection..
STRUCTURAL MECHANICAL, FUNCTIONAL design.. is not the same as AESTHETIC design. Which is what is actually being discussed. That the table has to be fit for purpose is a given. So nobody is suggesting a coffee table be used in a lab setting. Nice sermon though. Shame it's irrelevant.
A table with 4 legs is a brief synopsis of a functional minimum. A perfectly valid illustration.
And a good metaphor for the extent of Apple's "immaculate industrial design".. A bare minimum of effort.
A metal hoop between two sheets of glass. Not exactly incredible industrial design. More minimum effort.
iProducts are dull and repetitive. If you can't handle that information.. Tough.
And echoing PT Barnum.. You are obviously the one.
Re: Can't fault their stance
And by criticise, you mean not praise in the most vomit inducing prose possible.
Re: prior art!
Great.. So it's out of patent then.
You just had to ask..
Pass the mind bleach please.
Re: Cause and effect?
Excessive anything is bad. Why be surprised that excessive porn users have problems, when we are not surprised excessive drinkers get drunk more often, and are prone to alcoholism, or excessive eaters are quite likely to be obese.
People use ?.
Some people over use ?.
Ban/control ?.
Re: Just a few questions
Well.. you can't. At least not without having contacts in dodgy places. Not exactly a common resource for the terminally deranged..
But you can buy a super soaker, and make people feel threatened.. WHICH IS WORSE!!!
Re: Le Sigh
Ok.. Penny pinching, license dodging, idiot exploiter it is then.
See.. We can totally ignore the fact that a company that skims an unusually high mark-up is using a dodgy company to manufacture it's goods just like you do.
Re: Faintly absurd comparison
Buuuuut.. You can see the components.. And it's small. So they must be exactly the same.. Right?
Consumer electronics devices as any fool knows, are made of the casing, and specially encapsulated unicorns. Which is why you can't open them. Because the Unicorn might escape.
Please bear in mind, the people who seem most offended by the Pi stuff seem to be the least able to understand exactly what it is. Which is perhaps why they are so willing to expose their ignorance when screeching against it. I've lost count of the times a Pi board was compared to an Arduino by some twit on a forum somewhere.
Re: Moisture sensors
If they were school property, would they not be under a service contract of some kind, instead of a warranty? In which case, if it's a write off, it is because it is so badly damaged that it is impossible to fix, not a voided warranty.
See icon.
Tonsilliary correctness gone mad even..
Re: especially of the makers supplied a sachet of something to smear on it
Remember where you are. Quite a few here have little first hand knowledge of such things.
Re: ooops!
You mean like they didn't bow to the Italian courts?
Methinks you over estimate the ability to do what one likes a little bit too much.
Apple advertised a product with a feature that does not work in the region. The fact it works somewhere is not relevant.
Re: Learn to hack food, Khaptain.
No.. There are a lager percentage of men who cook than you imagined.. And what exactly makes you think Bill Gates can't cook?
These days, men cook, and women do DIY. The whole gender specific thing is a bit old fashioned.
I think yours might be the one with the Bernard Manning DVD in the pocket.
And you believe ANYTHING they report? This is just them upholding their usual journalistic standards. Truth would make heads explode.
Re: Great deal, it's not a Kindle
It's hardly difficult to read Amazon format books on a Kobo. You can convert practically any format to be readable on practically any device. Would that really be a major influence on your choice of e-reader?
Re: Farewell analogue
It's not always like that though..
I live in visual range of Crystal Palace, and I can remember getting ghosting, soft pictures and snow on analogue terrestrial channels. And stereo sound was very hit and miss. Sometimes two channels, sometimes left, sometimes right.
Digital.. Occasionally the picture breaks up for a few seconds, or the sound stops for a little. But that is not that common on most channels. Generally, I get perfect pin sharp colour correct picture, perfect stereo sound etc..
Analogue is more forgiving of a bad signal.. True enough. So you get a range of badness. Digital is go or no go, but when it works, it works very well.
Re: is it bullshit Friday or something?
Well.. iPhones and iPads are alternately the same things or totally different when the point being made requires them to be.
Re: Google "taking the fight to Amazon"
Mostly.
It uses a custom compile of Android and doesn't use the Android store.
"Android" is defined in many ways depending on the technical expertise and the agenda of the person defining what it is.
Re: Uhm...
"Don't trust the "market share" statistics unless they've separated out the "Consumer sales" numbers too. If they haven't their numbers aren't worth a damn, because they'll also include every single PC in every office, every storage cupboard, every server room, every data-centre, and so on. None of which are even slightly relevant to Apple's target market."
But entirely relevant to the computer market figures as a whole. Which is kind of the point. Counting areas where Apple do not hold a significant share is not actually cheating.
Not so easy any more. This has gone very public now. Any evidence kicked under the sofa or tipping off suspects is a strict nono. And I'm sure a few minor MPs will happily fall on their swords for the party.
All the politicians will be only too happy to see Murdoch's empire crumble, and too scared to rescue it. And the police and law enforcement will be too worried about being seen to be colluding with anybody to dare to cover up anything
Re: Thank heavens
Especially if done in old London town by a phantom...
Re: Over to Linux for me
Just returning the favour.
Why do all the Windows bores come out of the woodwork when ever there is a minuscule hiccup or niggle with Linux?
Could it be to gloat when the other guy is down?
If so.. Why do you get all the fun? I mean.. It isn't our fault you have no options like we do..
Na.. It's a screened case.. Those usually cost more..
Very thin textured foil with an insulating layer is carefully folded to the exact shape and size of the case, and even provides extra protection at the sides.
Re: Besides the point..
Well.. They should.
But apparently, there has been a grass roots movement which claims the spec don't matter, and nobody researches because Apple products just work..
Except when they don't, and the customer gets blamed for believing in Apple's PR fluff, which up to then was scientifically proved fact..
Re: Missing the point
Because they are expensive and reassure stupid people.
People want to FEEL safe, much cheaper and easier than actually being safe.
You know.. I noticed the same thing. And I've bought lots of stuff that has so far resolutely failed to electrocute, poison, or otherwise damage me.
Still .. I'm sure the BNP are compiling a dossier of such crimes to show just how bad China is. Staying over there stealing jobs that were never ours to begin with.. Seducing their own women.. Eating their own food.. How dare they.
Ohh.. And I got an Arduino.. So I'll be chucking out my desktop any day now. .
Pratt or troll.. I'll leave it for others to decide.
There there... It's all a bit too complicated for you isn't it?.. Why don't you go and shout at the telly or read he Sun or something..
Well.. When you try to use the force on the force, they are going to use force..
Now he is up sith creek without a padawan.
Ok I'm done.
Between 6.3 and 12.5 feet.
http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/TV-Viewing-Distance-s/79.htm
Nope...
The taunt just works.
Ahh.. But it's iFree. Which is better.. A special magical type of free, where the least useful context is the free part.
See also the open nature of h264.
It's not you.
There seems to be a faction who scream abuse at this project, while having no idea what it is. You think this is bad, try slashdot.
Best idea.. Sit back and laugh at the "CE experts" (really fanboys who read tech blogs) claim it will never sell.
And a little string coming out his back to pull so he says "Developers Developers Developers".
Question is..
Was the kid shocked at the language, or scared because Siri knew his name?
Translation..
Whaaaa.. If everybody has their own, we can't turn ours off and ground everybody else.
Grow up. Nobody is going to attack you, You have nothing anybody wants.
People will pirate. This is unavoidable.
A small number will pirate anything they get their hands on. This is inevitable. They will never stop.
The majority can, but can't be bothered. And the lower the barrier to getting what they want, how they want, the less piracy.
It's a nice little step in the right direction. How important a step is yet to be seen.
Now remember kiddies...
If round corners are enough to cause confusion, then Apple can't really use the iPad name, as it is far too similar to IPAD.
And in this case.. It's a trade mark, so it really does go away if you don't defend it.
No.. He actually does have a worm in his mouth
Provided you redefine the meaning of tied.
Ahh.. The Amazon astroturfer is out again I see.
1) All e-book readers read more than one format. And usually all but one are DRM free.
2) Free ebooks are not just available in Mobi, which since the Kindle came out, has pretty much been abandoned by Amazon. So really.. You are more likely to need to convert even free books to mobi. But can download direct with ePub.
3) Calibre (great tool) supports pretty much EVERY e-book format, so converting from Mobi is just as easy as converting to mobi. And there are few, if any readers that Calibre does not recognise.
4) Amazon and Apple are the only ones who tie your book purchasing to their store. Everybody else uses ADE. So everybody else allows you to choose who you do business with.
Now stop trying to mislead people.
But that isn't funny.
Copyright.
You can't patent a photo of something.
What a shocking idea...
Would you walk into Westminster Abbey and shout "Oy.. You in the frock"?
Please remember an Apple store is a place of worship. One must use the appropriate means of registering an iRequest to be attended by one of the vestal virgins. This is a solemn ritual, and must be done with the appropriate sense of occasion.
Or an app.
Yes...
But the question was about upgrading from 7 to 8.
No.
Because then we would be the same people we accuse them of being. Ignorant, closed minded and intolerant.
We can instead, examine the points they make, and de construct or validate them on their own merits. Spotting a religious rant, as opposed to a valid observation that happens to be made by a religious person is easy.
Then if we call them god bothering tossers with all the sense of a thimble, we are at the very least, speaking from a position of rational discourse. Not laughing at someone cos they believe in a god.
The guy who got fired for refusing to wear a badge with 666 on it.. God nut. Laugh at will. A fool citing an old book is still a fool. Even more so if the reference is inaccurate.
This story is not the same.
His status as a religious leader is irrelevant to me. I'm an atheist. So he is just a bloke making an observation.
Does his observation rely on the existence of a sky fairy for validity? Nope. So it merits further investigation.
Is the point he is making valid? I think yes.
Now think for a minute..
Why is a Rabbi speaking at some event or other getting quoted in a tech website, and getting such hysterical disagreement?
Kind of proves his point.. Yes?
No they didn't.
They spent 3 years coming up with a good way to stop bottled water companies from presenting it as a medical claim in advertising.
I know.. You want to get into one about bent bananas, and hard hats for tight rope walkers and other EU tabloid mythology. But think for just a minute. And you may very well realise that they are doing something right.
Why would a bottled water company want to make this claim? Doesn't everybody know that the cure for dehydration has always been to drink a high water content liquid? Or even eat a bit of fruit with a lot of juice, or have a cuppa?
Could the answer possibly be marketing? In which case, you know as well as I do that they will try to present their water as being higher in hydrating properties than ordinary tap water. Especially when one bottle can make up a whole quarter of your daily recommended water intake. Instead of just an eighth from a glass of water that is half the size of the bottle.
This is an important decision. Food labelling is dodgy enough as it is, and strewn with special interests and back room deals to keep any semblance of truth out of it.
Today we get bottled water companies selling over priced bottles of water as a dehydration cure.
Next week we get vitamin C sellers proclaiming on the bottle, the pills are vital to a healthy immune system. Which is true. But doesn't mention the fact that we get enough from food every day unless all we eat is meat. Or that any excess is excreted next time we have a pee.
Making a medical claim for a product is a very serious thing.
Stating the bleeding obvious as a medical claim is misleading too if done just right. And that was what took 3 years to stop happening. Not agreeing that water is essential, but figuring out rules that stop someone slapping it on a bottle of Evian.
Right.. Back to your rant now..
Bbbuut....
It's so magical.. And Siri can talk back like a real person..
Think of the enhancement to objectophiles when the object of their love can talk to them. If Steve hadn't given them freedom from porn, there could be a whole range of special inflatable personal docking options..
Gimmick? Absolutely, and nothing new to be honest. A few typical phrases for maintaining the illusion, a few stock replies to common "funny questions", and the deal is done.
How abotu not doing this.
Because it's pointless. No matter what is said, someone will disagree. and they are right... For a given amount of right. Because each one fits the person who chooses it. And will be awkward, unfamiliar, and annoying to someone who can't give it a good week or two.
I recently switched from Gnome to KDE. And it took a week or two to get my bearings. Now I like it.
Use what you like, be open to trying a new one every now and then, and you can make your own mind up. Each one is a yum/apt/what ever away. Go see for yourself.
Wouldn't that require the fact to be previously unknown?
Apple have a long reputation for being control freaky vindictive gits.
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