Indeed. So many car drivers claimed they didn't see their motorcycling victims that the TRRL designed 'leg protectors' for bikes. However, it became clear that these devices would cause the rider more damage than the alternative. Having experienced this 'didn't see you' excuse and the 'blind spot' claim (there is not a blind spot, merely stiff or lazy necks that should not be behind wheels) I chimed when I saw your response.
As to 'Li-Fi' itself, a data thief's paradise, and it is not good saying that encryption will solve the problem. Already we have WEP in the morgue with WPA in cold pursuit, and I have a feeling that WPA2 will not be far behind. I network through the plugs and it is a delight to experience.
I bought one the other day. To my surprise. Impulse perhaps; it was on offer. I still have my very old Symbian phone because I don't yet feel very impressed. However, Apple, who'd have thunk that people would buy a phone on which you can only store music/etcetera if you first send it to Apple's cloud, and that Apple would equip people with the means to snoop on users? There again, who'd have thought that Apple's computers/grope pads are now very insecure, as insecure as MS products in the 1990s. (Rhetorical Q, so please don't answer the musings of a man who will never buy Apple!)
Skynet 1 first became operational in 1969 but failed within one year. 2A was a failure and it was decided to use thrusters to move it from orbit to a destructive earth re-entry. Later in 1974 2B was launched and was successful. Since then the project has gone from strength to strength and I sometimes find myself wondering who stole the name from whom, until I look at the Wikipedia and IMDB entries and see it was an original script. Anyhow, Skynet has always been a useful tool, though the Skynet tower and radome like cover in my time of service reminded me more of War of the Worlds than Arnie.
I correct myself; Julf did strip out the IP #, but did not strip out the Message-ID: which, in Usenet, betrays the account to a substantial extent. Yes, I've just been browsing my records.
"Abusing mixmaster causes a damage (or the damage). If abused, police have to react. They have to, that's their job."
Hmm. They could have reacted when I was involved in a certain case, in which a man with a firearm in the US indicated he wanted to do dire things to someone to whom he'd taken exception... ...a decade ago or more. There have been many other examples, and you won't be surprised to see that whilst I in principle accept the validity of your argument (on their behalf) I do not accept it as both true and valid. Pursuing the logic of argumenta to similar extremes, it's time to go round up all politicians because a few of them caused massacres, it's time to round up all police officers because of corruption, the beating of people like Rodney King, it's time dispossess all bankers, time to deal with all women as potential sex abusers, given that there has been for decades a growing body of data and since we treat males as potential paedophiles, time to treat all women as spouse beaters, it being that the data are similarly also becoming clear [...]
One thing that will happen is that modern encoding and distribution techniques will be employed and the task of tracking down such people will become even more difficult. There is probably a disquieting corollary inasmuch that super anonymous facilities will attract super nasty abusers, and thus an arms race between the snoops and the privatists will begin. This will make a rod for their backs.
I can't accept the argument in spite of the fact that I have been subjected to harassment by someone abusing such facilities. In a sense it's the Assange argument, and I even handedly reject both types of claim, pro or contra official or private facilities.
One footnote; someone else has already noted that the Feebs only had to image the server, not take the drives. That said, after such a raid I cannot feel confident, and the same was the case with the anon.penet.fi remailer hosted by Julf between 16 and 19 years ago, a service that was broken by $cientology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet_remailer ). Although Julf left the dotted IP number in the path statement, which defeated his aim to a substantial extent, damaged the principle of privacy he espoused. I watched a lot of this happen, and I did so with mixed feelings, as much as I now do. On balance I see privacy as being worth a king's ransom, something not to be tossed aside lightly and, be it noted, I have argued strongly against Assange whom I consider to be an abuser and want prosecuted: I have been a whistle blower, once. The case involved the death of a vulnerable man at the hands of people who failed to care. I would not have been involved had anonymity not been available, simply because there would have been repercussions on the part of people who did not GAD about nice things such as laws, and later went on to prove this on a greater scale.
Although not for some years, I used to be a regular mixmaster user, with encrypted responses going to a particular Usenet news group. It was a legitimate usage. I think that attacking these sorts of privacy facilities will cause more damage than good.
I could never feel safe using them again; I think that the FBI lack the cultural awareness that would make them resist such a step which, in any case, is a matter of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
None of which is relevant, as it is merely an example of what I have already pointed out; the argumentum ad hominem. Your ratings of his intellectual and other capacities are further examples of the argumentum ad hominem, and highlight another point; that diagnosis by distance (especially by laymen) is very unwise.
As to your ad hominem comments about me, I think that I smell furious projecting. This is merely a loser's attempt to 'win' an argument (that is, in the Greek sense of the meaning), and it smells no more obnoxious than any other example of the argumentum ad hominem, whether from a politician's mouth or from the fingers of an internet poster.
Once more, just as the truth is not the possession of any individual, institution or other group of individuals, an individual, institution or group of individuals cannot in principle be designated as incapable of apperceving, holding or articulating truths, to suggest otherwise - as you did in your last line - is arrogant, over weaning and wrong.
I suggest that you read; the point is that, just as the truth is not the possession of any individual, organisation or other group, people cannot be said to be bereft of the ability to apperceive it, or to produce 'bent' versions of it. That is a form of argumentum ad hominem, and results in anything said by an individual or group being rejected on grounds of the argumentum ad hominem. One most vile example would be the 1930s phrase 'Jewish science'. Sure, Jewish people were prominent in the sciences and other professions, precisely because they were not accepted as full citizens and thus barred from professions traditionally accorded citizens under the Greek model, including politicians, soldiers and so on. (I think the Austrians, for example, had allowed them into the military). This resulted, in fin de siecle Austria-Hungary, in the flowering of Jewish intellectual development, as they had little else to do in the harsh, repressive climate of the Austrian empire. The ultimate end was presaged in the phrase 'Jewish science', which by dint of argumentum ad hominem accorded a status of perpetual untruth to the 'unter mensch', and it's one that is applied without thought by different categories of people across the world, particularly if they can get away with it. Thus for example, prodromal symptoms of Ronald Regan's Alzheimer's disease could be found in slips of the tongue (the lady David phrase, where speaking of Diana), alongside the often overlooked very practical fear he had of nuclear war; when he became president there was an exchange between him and his top military on the matter of mutually assured destruction that is quite poignant; he was convinced that this was a form of intellectual madness that had to be ended. Thus, with Thatcher, he bolstered conventional defences, and engaged in an economic war that also led down the path of perestroika and glasnost and gave us the uneasy truce that we have with the Russians (uneasy because we did not help them during their initial economic crisis).
So, to return to the point; read what I said; whereas no one can claim to own the truth, no one can claim that another is incapable of apperceiving it. Read a fucking dictionary if you cannot understand the words. This is a forum in which a given level of intellectual development is regarded as normal, and the ability to use search engines and other devices to inform you of the meaning of technical terminology are easily available.
I could not give a damn what you say; the argumentum ad hominem is the weakest and most vile form of epistemology and argument. Whether or not someone is, according to your likes and dislikes, unpleasant or not is irrelevant; just as the truth is the possession of no individual, institution or other group of individuals, it is the case that they cannot be regarded as incapable of apperceiving the truth. Such argumenta are borne of feeble, weakly opportunistic minds, incapable of thinking for themselves, preferring the 'four legs good, two legs bad' argument so adeptly parodied by Eric Blair in his book, 1984. HTH. HAND
Indeed. These twats have a funny idea of rights; in law and morals rights imply duties, and now the queue for payback has been joined by no less a group than hidemyass.com: http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/privacy/231602248
Regan did indeed say 'message to terrorists everywhere; you can run but you can't hide'. Oh indeed, and the noose has been slowly tightening across the world. This of course applies to freetards too.
Aside from the concept of defence in depth - itself a military one employed in WWII and the cold war - one simple category of defence has been overlooked; isolate military nets from public nets and eliminate sneaker net. The first part is an obvious one, one that Boeing and other corporations have also failed miserably to take on board. The second one can be eliminated by hard work and common sense, and it is so obvious. When cameras and what have you can carry bootable cards (yes, one of my cameras carried a rescue system for a while, just for kicks; it could connect to a USB port and Bob's your Uncle [ http://subgenius.com/ ]) it should be no surprise that people have made their various forms of USB device bootable.
Back in the days of floppy discs a consultant, in a psychiatric unit where I was responsible for IT and research, continually brought infected discs in. Eventually I caused a storm by physically disabling floppy drives, because other techniques failed. Disabling all USB, CD/DVD/floppy access is vital in military systems, as much as access to the internet is concerned. No internet machine should be in the same secure room as a secure machine, and so on. Somehow the digital age seems to have ushered in a lack of security that I find alien, having worked in very secure NATO offices for quite some time. Basic mistakes in vetting, control of information access and information security seem to be par for the course rather than exceptional, this is our undoing.
I think it would be good to see him run and fail. Meanwhile St Jules would be scratched and poked in every orifice. Every foul deed would come to light. He would be seen for the fake that he is. Bloody criminal.
"Sorry, but that's how Tony Blair got in in the UK (it cannot have been on any sane consideration, especially not twice). Singularly dangerous argument - I would not trust either to take their aura near anything important.."
I am mortified to tell you that Bliar won 3 elections and thus three terms as PM, although his last tenure was shortened by the palace coup. What a pity they did not have the guts to give him a similar end to Julius Caesar. When I think of Blair I think of Mussolini it being that Bliar took us to war more times than any PM in our country's history, that he and that odious creature to whom he is married have made a fortune out of their fame and must surely qualify as being similar to Il Duce and his wife. How on earth these creatures have remained untouched by the criminal justice system is to me incredible, whether or not her weeping for the public helped make her seem innocent, or so she thought: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CHERIE%27S+CRYING+GAME%3f%3a+MRS+BLAIR%27S+SOB+STORY%3b+HOW+THE+PREMIER%27S...-a095184948
I forgot to remind you that I was not 'kookifying' (as you so ineptly put it; people like me are known as kookologists, thus 'kookologising' is the correct term), merely pointing out that he is a contenduh for the Ron Bobo award. That is a different matter all together, and has bugger all to do with the KoTM, KoTY or KoTD awards or similar. The Bobo is special, and is for those who are prepared to destroy themselves online, and these boys (girls if any are involved) have done just that. Watch AUK for the news. It'll happen, believe me.
You'll find that the like of the late and great Earl Curley has this award, and his sanity was very definitely in doubt. The Bobo award is, as indicated, a form of Darwin award, and no one is barred from such awards. To understand the origin of Formosa's law see this link; http://www.answers.com/topic/formosa-s-law
"Assange is a bit behind the times. 'twas quite a while back the AU was a UK penal colony.."
Indeed, and I think you'll find that like the UK Australia has legislation on the matter of criminals serving their country in the legislature. I believe our legislation bars criminals who've served for longer than X period of time [where X is currently not available to my memory, but is longer than 12 months, possibly 18]. OTOH, since St Jules is already a convicted criminal whose offences include at least one count against his own state (breaking and entering police computers in order to monitor the progress of an investigation into his activities, which included 1) stealing passwords from US Air force 7th Command Group in the Pentagon; 2) for hacking computers at two universities; 3) hacking computers at two telecommunications companies, I find myself wondering if the severity of his offences will disqualify him, not least because he's in the middle of a substantial controversy about information theft that eclipses his then offences.
If this man can stand for office then perhaps we have to reconsider the status of such convicted criminals as Elliot Morley. I think not.
Oh they all conform to some sort of pattern of craziness. Take Archimedes Plutonium, for example; search engine bombing was his fixation. Helena Kobrin, the barratriste from $cientology is another example. Palmer the self-styled 'flame giant'. Earl Curley, the airport lounge poster, and on it goes. I haven't posted on Usenet for years. I'll have to fire up the Linux notebook and have some fun, now that I think about it.
"Of this last, I remember on sci.physics in the 90s there was a guy who used to post the weirdest stuff, and no-one could disabuse him of his strange world view."
Hammond, wasn't it? I poked him the ribs a couple of times using sock puppets. Because he'd been so nice to me up front I couldn't use my own handle!
"Nothing to do with humiliation, just criminal investigations."
Just another variant of the argumentum ad hominem. There seems to be an air of desperation amongst the followers and acolytes, to the point of minimising credit card theft as a non event, as well as the minimisers and those giving general support in spite of evidence produced in various contexts. For example when I made the point that Assange is a criminal, a convict, this elicited a rant from a twit who has still not apologised; Assange is indeed a convicted criminal. Thus it would seem most obvious that the people who support Assange do so on a foundation of limited moral insight/knowledge, and are prepared to overlook other crimes in the general area of Wikileaks, supporters, anon, lulzec etcetera.
It may just be that these are trolls, but their misguided support and that of Geoffrey Robinson and many others (admittedly falling off a tad in flesh space as the matter becomes clearer) has a ring of investment to it that I don't associate with trolling. I've seen thousands of trolls, I've even perpetrated a few myself, with the aim of flushing kooks and trolls into hyperactivity; for fun IOW. I think that I can tell the difference between setting things alight and not being the brightest light in the harbour, which these people appear to be, given the impoverished nature of their arguments and substantial lack of coherence.
"You are way too quick to start ranting about "fashionable faux intellectualism". But then after typing this reply, I suddenly noticed who the poster is: Matt Bryant. The man with more preconceptions than the SWP."
You have just confirmed his point, by means of applying the argumentum ad hominem, which is piss poor epistemology, even by the weakest of standards.
As I have pointed out, Assange is a convicted criminal, his larks including being convicted in or around 1991 for 25 counts for among others 1) stealing passwords from US Air force 7th Command Group in the Pentagon; 2) for hacking computers at two universities; 3) hacking computers at two telecommunications companies; 4) hacking computers to monitor the Australian Federal Police investigation into *his* criminal activities.
There is nothing to suppose that he has deviated from this precedent setting career move, and if you want to argue that he is not a criminal you have your work cut out; to put it another way, Assange and breaking and entering computerised systems go a long way back.
As to your claim that you are a customer of Stratfor there is much to do if you want to convince people like me, otherwise it's all merely hot typographical air.
"Mr Assange is NOT a US citizen, so how can he be charged with espionage against the US, even without being on US soil ???"
Then it is war and the convict Julian Assange (whose convictions include a count of stealing passwords from US Air force 7th Command Group in the Pentagon) is a legitimate target, right?
"unless it's all fake, made-up by the FBI, *pretending* to have arrested LulzSec to save face (like ... let's see ... who comes to mind ... darn, I forgot ! It was in may last year though)."
Then you won't have any difficulty finding it. Hint; google is your friend. Alternatively: http://tinyurl.com/2rfwr ; http://live.lmgtfy.com/ ; http://lmgtfy.com/?q=FBI+pretending+to+arrest+ha%3E%3Cors+May+2011
"So what are you saying, asdf? That all cross-dressers are inherently evil and cannot be trusted to hold positions of authority? That they should be banned from office merely on the rumour that they might be gay? Sounds like homophobia to me, I'm not surprised your first post got removed."
The British security and intelligence services learned something important a long time ago; the safest people in the world are those to whom sexual and similar taboos are irrelevant; they cannot be blackmailed and are open about what they do. Those who have these proclivities, are ashamed of them and hide them, these are the security risks. They can be blackmailed.
The rest is all McCarthyism; 'are you now or have you at any time been a homosexual/communist/etcetera?'
Perhaps you could read news:alt.2600 and news:alt.hackers.malicious for a good definition. It comes up occasionally.
In addition to this YMLTK that the original hackers were to be found in places like Bletchley and in the Lyons Corner House computer department; in the latter the first computerised payroll and other delights were to be found ( https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&hl=en&q=cache:PVgcH_looE4J:http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/topic/tax/computerised-payrolls-golden-anniversary+lyons+corner+house+first+computerised+pay+roll&ct=clnk ). These people were hackers. What passes for that today are mere script kiddies and, worse still, people who buy or are given interfaces to do the thing for them. Anyone for LOIC? Hackers are people who solve problems, and this includes white hats, grey hats and black hats. Most of the hackers that I know are security oriented, run networks and work doing it for a living.
The term 'hacker' has been hijacked by the press and misused, in much the same way that 'biker' and 'schizophrenia' have been.
Time to toddle along to news:alt.usenet.kooks and nominate these people for the Ron Bobo award. The award is described thus:
"The ultimate achievement in the Kook Arts. Given in recognition of the lifetime work of those who rise above and beyond the call of net.looniness, the Bobo is reserved for those whose sheer quest at whatever it is they're pursuing knows Absolutely No Bounds, whether they be global humiliation, jail time, even death. Several Bobo honorees are, in fact, in jail or deceased. Think of it as the Internet's version of the Darwin Award."
The AUK pages are being rehashed, but you can find a copy of the FAQ and stuff here http://web.archive.org/web/20070505091641/http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html
I think it fair to say that these people have just qualified. Go to news:alt.usenet.kooks and make a nom if you want. If the skiddies don't know Usenet (most of the new breed of children don't know text only medium) they can go to google groups, where I suspect they'll find themselves more at home, though they need to be careful what they say. They could be LARTed, and there are ways to make sure that a k00k gets its just deserts. I'll be watching.
"Anyway, money is just money and can be replaced (speaking as someone who has had card details stolen and used for years)."
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"I personally do not condone any illegal activity he might have materially benefited from"
Yet you just did, and this is worse than pirating films. I've experienced this kind of theft twice, once in about 1996 the other time this year, and I can tell you that it is no less unpleasant now than it was before. There is no such thing here as a victimless crime.
However, it's good of you to show that your blasé attitude to the law is consistent across the spectrum.
Speaking of which I've been wondering about the fate of Cyperpunk and Mixmaster remailers. There are man in the middle and other attacks, and I suspect that by now these facilities are as riddled as Tor et al.. Nowhere to hide.
" Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that in our glorious free democracy, no one can even be indicted of a crime without the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions. Who never agrees to bring charges against "people like us" "
Perhaps we can change and emulate Iceland;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17254544
How I wish, fervently. The things done by to our country by these experimenters were very badly wrong. They had no right.
I err on the side of caution because the BMA stats were shown to be erroneous, and because I like to have an irrefutable dataset when thinking of capital punishment! However, I'll be happy to see the full set produced in court, with Jeb and Tone sitting next to one another, holding hands and praying to their god.
The comparison with the holocaust is apt, and I note that the Jews are one of the 5 Semitic tribes, one of which was in Babylon IIRC. Always worth remembering.
Otherwise I apologise for the surge of anger in my post. The sight of that smug, sh*t eating grin with its massive bank balance is sometimes more than the honest man in me can bear. No wait. I've just thought of something... ...actually, no. I've just exercised restraint and cut my comments about using my ex military skills as a marksman on a drop forged, bolt action rifle. That would never do. Unless passed into law of course.
The same fate as Mussolini would be apt, and let us not forget all of the other scumbags in his party who took us over the edge of the cliff that was Iraq; let us not forget Blair's/Roche's/Straw's clandestine immigration policy which was revealed in 2009 after years of denial and calling those who protested 'racist', and the court case against Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch, inspired by these doublespeak liars. These people were responsible for the renaissance of extreme right wing politics in the UK and yet they blamed those who deserted them for their anti working class attitudes, calling them 'racist'. These were acts of unspeakable folly, acts which fostered the extreme right wing, placing a country with housing, food, energy, water and phosphate (read fertilizer) shortages in even greater jeopardy. Because these people played population genetics (something not done I believe since Stalin) in order to "spite the right" without thinking of or referring to their electoral employers we face the prospect of having the largest population of any country in the EU. Then there are the massive debts left by their adventurist policies abroad, the wasted money in the form of white elephant projects (IT and other) and their deliberate folly of selling 60% of treasury reserve gold when the price was at a 20 year low; these people practised waste with the sort of alacrity I have seldom seen outside of religion. Then there were deliberate manipulations of statistics which led (e.g.) Sir Michael Scholar of the UK statistics authority to chastise Harman for misrepresenting the statistics to suit her ideology.
These things among others are ToniBler's legacy (he having the dubious distinction of having taken this country to war more times than any PM in our history), and that of his wastrel friends, and I sincerely hope that we are able to bring them to justice for their offences, against international law and within the bounds of this country, in the Hague and in our national courts.
If their repeal of the treason act can be shown, in the light of subsequent acts, to have been a deliberate and calculated way of avoiding the consequences of treason, then you may well have your hearts' desire; whilst retrospective legislation is in principle not possible, retrospective restoration of legislation overturned deliberately to facilitate crimes would appear to be eminently possible. If you and others lobby your MP who knows, perhaps pigs will fly, perhaps you will see TonBler et al. prosecuted, convicted and awarded the ultimate punishment for his misdeeds against the Iraqi people and the people of this country.
It embarrasses me to say that I am willing to let my principled stand against capital punishment slide in the case of Blair, and would happily do the deed myself as long as I am given 2 x 9mm parabellum rounds and a Browning 9mm; one round as a warmer into the bank, the other round in between the eyes, no less than 10 seconds later. He has to have time to pray to his 'God'.
What is more the fucking dork didn't know how to use PGP and thus his email was exposed to the outside world. Prick. I wish that his Muslim attacker in a Palestinian mosque had succeeded, and I'll even take religion if he and his ilk are assassinated. It would have been appropriate had he been bagged up and sent to bin Laden as a present for Ede (sp?). Big Brother? More like dirty greasball.
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Re: "Sorry, my bad, didn't see you"
Indeed. So many car drivers claimed they didn't see their motorcycling victims that the TRRL designed 'leg protectors' for bikes. However, it became clear that these devices would cause the rider more damage than the alternative. Having experienced this 'didn't see you' excuse and the 'blind spot' claim (there is not a blind spot, merely stiff or lazy necks that should not be behind wheels) I chimed when I saw your response.
As to 'Li-Fi' itself, a data thief's paradise, and it is not good saying that encryption will solve the problem. Already we have WEP in the morgue with WPA in cold pursuit, and I have a feeling that WPA2 will not be far behind. I network through the plugs and it is a delight to experience.
Re: Why no Android phones?
I bought one the other day. To my surprise. Impulse perhaps; it was on offer. I still have my very old Symbian phone because I don't yet feel very impressed. However, Apple, who'd have thunk that people would buy a phone on which you can only store music/etcetera if you first send it to Apple's cloud, and that Apple would equip people with the means to snoop on users? There again, who'd have thought that Apple's computers/grope pads are now very insecure, as insecure as MS products in the 1990s. (Rhetorical Q, so please don't answer the musings of a man who will never buy Apple!)
Re: The new...
Whose definition of poor, Nu Liebour's or Wallace and Balls'?
Thus it does not merit the usual HGTTG entry and must now be regarded as "Mostly harmful".
Re: Skynet?
Skynet 1 first became operational in 1969 but failed within one year. 2A was a failure and it was decided to use thrusters to move it from orbit to a destructive earth re-entry. Later in 1974 2B was launched and was successful. Since then the project has gone from strength to strength and I sometimes find myself wondering who stole the name from whom, until I look at the Wikipedia and IMDB entries and see it was an original script. Anyhow, Skynet has always been a useful tool, though the Skynet tower and radome like cover in my time of service reminded me more of War of the Worlds than Arnie.
Re: Remember Rik's party in The Young Ones?
I watched it on You Tube. How times have changed.
Re: Abuse is the problem
I correct myself; Julf did strip out the IP #, but did not strip out the Message-ID: which, in Usenet, betrays the account to a substantial extent. Yes, I've just been browsing my records.
Re: Abuse is the problem
"Abusing mixmaster causes a damage (or the damage). If abused, police have to react. They have to, that's their job."
Hmm. They could have reacted when I was involved in a certain case, in which a man with a firearm in the US indicated he wanted to do dire things to someone to whom he'd taken exception... ...a decade ago or more. There have been many other examples, and you won't be surprised to see that whilst I in principle accept the validity of your argument (on their behalf) I do not accept it as both true and valid. Pursuing the logic of argumenta to similar extremes, it's time to go round up all politicians because a few of them caused massacres, it's time to round up all police officers because of corruption, the beating of people like Rodney King, it's time dispossess all bankers, time to deal with all women as potential sex abusers, given that there has been for decades a growing body of data and since we treat males as potential paedophiles, time to treat all women as spouse beaters, it being that the data are similarly also becoming clear [...]
One thing that will happen is that modern encoding and distribution techniques will be employed and the task of tracking down such people will become even more difficult. There is probably a disquieting corollary inasmuch that super anonymous facilities will attract super nasty abusers, and thus an arms race between the snoops and the privatists will begin. This will make a rod for their backs.
I can't accept the argument in spite of the fact that I have been subjected to harassment by someone abusing such facilities. In a sense it's the Assange argument, and I even handedly reject both types of claim, pro or contra official or private facilities.
One footnote; someone else has already noted that the Feebs only had to image the server, not take the drives. That said, after such a raid I cannot feel confident, and the same was the case with the anon.penet.fi remailer hosted by Julf between 16 and 19 years ago, a service that was broken by $cientology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet_remailer ). Although Julf left the dotted IP number in the path statement, which defeated his aim to a substantial extent, damaged the principle of privacy he espoused. I watched a lot of this happen, and I did so with mixed feelings, as much as I now do. On balance I see privacy as being worth a king's ransom, something not to be tossed aside lightly and, be it noted, I have argued strongly against Assange whom I consider to be an abuser and want prosecuted: I have been a whistle blower, once. The case involved the death of a vulnerable man at the hands of people who failed to care. I would not have been involved had anonymity not been available, simply because there would have been repercussions on the part of people who did not GAD about nice things such as laws, and later went on to prove this on a greater scale.
Although not for some years, I used to be a regular mixmaster user, with encrypted responses going to a particular Usenet news group. It was a legitimate usage. I think that attacking these sorts of privacy facilities will cause more damage than good.
I could never feel safe using them again; I think that the FBI lack the cultural awareness that would make them resist such a step which, in any case, is a matter of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Re: Lies, dammed lies, and statistics
ITYHBT!
HTH.
Re: Chocolate factory mail melt down
Targeted ads? What targeted ads? I ain't seen no steenkun ads for years now. (Cheeky grin.)
This is too soon; it ain't over until the fat judge sings.
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Re: @Scorchio!!
None of which is relevant, as it is merely an example of what I have already pointed out; the argumentum ad hominem. Your ratings of his intellectual and other capacities are further examples of the argumentum ad hominem, and highlight another point; that diagnosis by distance (especially by laymen) is very unwise.
As to your ad hominem comments about me, I think that I smell furious projecting. This is merely a loser's attempt to 'win' an argument (that is, in the Greek sense of the meaning), and it smells no more obnoxious than any other example of the argumentum ad hominem, whether from a politician's mouth or from the fingers of an internet poster.
Once more, just as the truth is not the possession of any individual, institution or other group of individuals, an individual, institution or group of individuals cannot in principle be designated as incapable of apperceving, holding or articulating truths, to suggest otherwise - as you did in your last line - is arrogant, over weaning and wrong.
Re: @Scorchio!!
I suggest that you read; the point is that, just as the truth is not the possession of any individual, organisation or other group, people cannot be said to be bereft of the ability to apperceive it, or to produce 'bent' versions of it. That is a form of argumentum ad hominem, and results in anything said by an individual or group being rejected on grounds of the argumentum ad hominem. One most vile example would be the 1930s phrase 'Jewish science'. Sure, Jewish people were prominent in the sciences and other professions, precisely because they were not accepted as full citizens and thus barred from professions traditionally accorded citizens under the Greek model, including politicians, soldiers and so on. (I think the Austrians, for example, had allowed them into the military). This resulted, in fin de siecle Austria-Hungary, in the flowering of Jewish intellectual development, as they had little else to do in the harsh, repressive climate of the Austrian empire. The ultimate end was presaged in the phrase 'Jewish science', which by dint of argumentum ad hominem accorded a status of perpetual untruth to the 'unter mensch', and it's one that is applied without thought by different categories of people across the world, particularly if they can get away with it. Thus for example, prodromal symptoms of Ronald Regan's Alzheimer's disease could be found in slips of the tongue (the lady David phrase, where speaking of Diana), alongside the often overlooked very practical fear he had of nuclear war; when he became president there was an exchange between him and his top military on the matter of mutually assured destruction that is quite poignant; he was convinced that this was a form of intellectual madness that had to be ended. Thus, with Thatcher, he bolstered conventional defences, and engaged in an economic war that also led down the path of perestroika and glasnost and gave us the uneasy truce that we have with the Russians (uneasy because we did not help them during their initial economic crisis).
So, to return to the point; read what I said; whereas no one can claim to own the truth, no one can claim that another is incapable of apperceiving it. Read a fucking dictionary if you cannot understand the words. This is a forum in which a given level of intellectual development is regarded as normal, and the ability to use search engines and other devices to inform you of the meaning of technical terminology are easily available.
Re: wat
I suggest that you read my remarks, and then return to your primary school./
Re: wat
I could not give a damn what you say; the argumentum ad hominem is the weakest and most vile form of epistemology and argument. Whether or not someone is, according to your likes and dislikes, unpleasant or not is irrelevant; just as the truth is the possession of no individual, institution or other group of individuals, it is the case that they cannot be regarded as incapable of apperceiving the truth. Such argumenta are borne of feeble, weakly opportunistic minds, incapable of thinking for themselves, preferring the 'four legs good, two legs bad' argument so adeptly parodied by Eric Blair in his book, 1984. HTH. HAND
Re: Oops
Indeed. These twats have a funny idea of rights; in law and morals rights imply duties, and now the queue for payback has been joined by no less a group than hidemyass.com: http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/privacy/231602248
Regan did indeed say 'message to terrorists everywhere; you can run but you can't hide'. Oh indeed, and the noose has been slowly tightening across the world. This of course applies to freetards too.
Re: well
Aside from the concept of defence in depth - itself a military one employed in WWII and the cold war - one simple category of defence has been overlooked; isolate military nets from public nets and eliminate sneaker net. The first part is an obvious one, one that Boeing and other corporations have also failed miserably to take on board. The second one can be eliminated by hard work and common sense, and it is so obvious. When cameras and what have you can carry bootable cards (yes, one of my cameras carried a rescue system for a while, just for kicks; it could connect to a USB port and Bob's your Uncle [ http://subgenius.com/ ]) it should be no surprise that people have made their various forms of USB device bootable.
Back in the days of floppy discs a consultant, in a psychiatric unit where I was responsible for IT and research, continually brought infected discs in. Eventually I caused a storm by physically disabling floppy drives, because other techniques failed. Disabling all USB, CD/DVD/floppy access is vital in military systems, as much as access to the internet is concerned. No internet machine should be in the same secure room as a secure machine, and so on. Somehow the digital age seems to have ushered in a lack of security that I find alien, having worked in very secure NATO offices for quite some time. Basic mistakes in vetting, control of information access and information security seem to be par for the course rather than exceptional, this is our undoing.
Re: Makes me wonder
There are legitimate uses for the site. Not everyone downloads copyrighted material.
Re: RE: IMG
"Politics is an ugly sport.
Not just in the US, but around the world."
I think it would be good to see him run and fail. Meanwhile St Jules would be scratched and poked in every orifice. Every foul deed would come to light. He would be seen for the fake that he is. Bloody criminal.
Re: I'd possibly vote for him
"Sorry, but that's how Tony Blair got in in the UK (it cannot have been on any sane consideration, especially not twice). Singularly dangerous argument - I would not trust either to take their aura near anything important.."
I am mortified to tell you that Bliar won 3 elections and thus three terms as PM, although his last tenure was shortened by the palace coup. What a pity they did not have the guts to give him a similar end to Julius Caesar. When I think of Blair I think of Mussolini it being that Bliar took us to war more times than any PM in our country's history, that he and that odious creature to whom he is married have made a fortune out of their fame and must surely qualify as being similar to Il Duce and his wife. How on earth these creatures have remained untouched by the criminal justice system is to me incredible, whether or not her weeping for the public helped make her seem innocent, or so she thought: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CHERIE%27S+CRYING+GAME%3f%3a+MRS+BLAIR%27S+SOB+STORY%3b+HOW+THE+PREMIER%27S...-a095184948
Re: @Scorchio!!, I'm Impressed
I forgot to remind you that I was not 'kookifying' (as you so ineptly put it; people like me are known as kookologists, thus 'kookologising' is the correct term), merely pointing out that he is a contenduh for the Ron Bobo award. That is a different matter all together, and has bugger all to do with the KoTM, KoTY or KoTD awards or similar. The Bobo is special, and is for those who are prepared to destroy themselves online, and these boys (girls if any are involved) have done just that. Watch AUK for the news. It'll happen, believe me.
You'll find that the like of the late and great Earl Curley has this award, and his sanity was very definitely in doubt. The Bobo award is, as indicated, a form of Darwin award, and no one is barred from such awards. To understand the origin of Formosa's law see this link; http://www.answers.com/topic/formosa-s-law
The dead cannot by definition be bothered.
HTH,
Re: @Scorchio!!, I'm Impressed
I am well aware of Formosa; now give me the official diagnosis, for all of them.
Re: Yawn..
"Assange is a bit behind the times. 'twas quite a while back the AU was a UK penal colony.."
Indeed, and I think you'll find that like the UK Australia has legislation on the matter of criminals serving their country in the legislature. I believe our legislation bars criminals who've served for longer than X period of time [where X is currently not available to my memory, but is longer than 12 months, possibly 18]. OTOH, since St Jules is already a convicted criminal whose offences include at least one count against his own state (breaking and entering police computers in order to monitor the progress of an investigation into his activities, which included 1) stealing passwords from US Air force 7th Command Group in the Pentagon; 2) for hacking computers at two universities; 3) hacking computers at two telecommunications companies, I find myself wondering if the severity of his offences will disqualify him, not least because he's in the middle of a substantial controversy about information theft that eclipses his then offences.
If this man can stand for office then perhaps we have to reconsider the status of such convicted criminals as Elliot Morley. I think not.
Re: Type 8: Nitpickers
"i think it is the feeding system, rather than reproductive, that makes a mammal a mammal: think mammaries."
No, that is not quite it; egg vs foetus is the root here, since the feeding system is based on this.
"(which is always a pleasant occupation anyway)
...Which tips this post from nitpicking into bad comedy"
So good of you to make a clean breast of it.
Re: Overlapping
Mike Reed would probably have seized on this so I'll keep it short; now is time for a homily on Venn diagrams.
Re: First
Oh they all conform to some sort of pattern of craziness. Take Archimedes Plutonium, for example; search engine bombing was his fixation. Helena Kobrin, the barratriste from $cientology is another example. Palmer the self-styled 'flame giant'. Earl Curley, the airport lounge poster, and on it goes. I haven't posted on Usenet for years. I'll have to fire up the Linux notebook and have some fun, now that I think about it.
Re: First
"Of this last, I remember on sci.physics in the 90s there was a guy who used to post the weirdest stuff, and no-one could disabuse him of his strange world view."
Hammond, wasn't it? I poked him the ribs a couple of times using sock puppets. Because he'd been so nice to me up front I couldn't use my own handle!
Re: Could the FBI have stopped this?
"Nothing to do with humiliation, just criminal investigations."
Just another variant of the argumentum ad hominem. There seems to be an air of desperation amongst the followers and acolytes, to the point of minimising credit card theft as a non event, as well as the minimisers and those giving general support in spite of evidence produced in various contexts. For example when I made the point that Assange is a criminal, a convict, this elicited a rant from a twit who has still not apologised; Assange is indeed a convicted criminal. Thus it would seem most obvious that the people who support Assange do so on a foundation of limited moral insight/knowledge, and are prepared to overlook other crimes in the general area of Wikileaks, supporters, anon, lulzec etcetera.
It may just be that these are trolls, but their misguided support and that of Geoffrey Robinson and many others (admittedly falling off a tad in flesh space as the matter becomes clearer) has a ring of investment to it that I don't associate with trolling. I've seen thousands of trolls, I've even perpetrated a few myself, with the aim of flushing kooks and trolls into hyperactivity; for fun IOW. I think that I can tell the difference between setting things alight and not being the brightest light in the harbour, which these people appear to be, given the impoverished nature of their arguments and substantial lack of coherence.
Re: Could the FBI have stopped this?
"You are way too quick to start ranting about "fashionable faux intellectualism". But then after typing this reply, I suddenly noticed who the poster is: Matt Bryant. The man with more preconceptions than the SWP."
You have just confirmed his point, by means of applying the argumentum ad hominem, which is piss poor epistemology, even by the weakest of standards.
As I have pointed out, Assange is a convicted criminal, his larks including being convicted in or around 1991 for 25 counts for among others 1) stealing passwords from US Air force 7th Command Group in the Pentagon; 2) for hacking computers at two universities; 3) hacking computers at two telecommunications companies; 4) hacking computers to monitor the Australian Federal Police investigation into *his* criminal activities.
There is nothing to suppose that he has deviated from this precedent setting career move, and if you want to argue that he is not a criminal you have your work cut out; to put it another way, Assange and breaking and entering computerised systems go a long way back.
As to your claim that you are a customer of Stratfor there is much to do if you want to convince people like me, otherwise it's all merely hot typographical air.
Re: Absolutely
"Mr Assange is NOT a US citizen, so how can he be charged with espionage against the US, even without being on US soil ???"
Then it is war and the convict Julian Assange (whose convictions include a count of stealing passwords from US Air force 7th Command Group in the Pentagon) is a legitimate target, right?
Re: Very surprising.
"unless it's all fake, made-up by the FBI, *pretending* to have arrested LulzSec to save face (like ... let's see ... who comes to mind ... darn, I forgot ! It was in may last year though)."
Then you won't have any difficulty finding it. Hint; google is your friend. Alternatively: http://tinyurl.com/2rfwr ; http://live.lmgtfy.com/ ; http://lmgtfy.com/?q=FBI+pretending+to+arrest+ha%3E%3Cors+May+2011
'Cumulous'
Nobody noticed that NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center cannot spell 'cumulus'. I'll file it next to 'nucilah'.
Re: Fidelity Bravery Integrity
"So what are you saying, asdf? That all cross-dressers are inherently evil and cannot be trusted to hold positions of authority? That they should be banned from office merely on the rumour that they might be gay? Sounds like homophobia to me, I'm not surprised your first post got removed."
The British security and intelligence services learned something important a long time ago; the safest people in the world are those to whom sexual and similar taboos are irrelevant; they cannot be blackmailed and are open about what they do. Those who have these proclivities, are ashamed of them and hide them, these are the security risks. They can be blackmailed.
The rest is all McCarthyism; 'are you now or have you at any time been a homosexual/communist/etcetera?'
Re: Prison workers in the making
Perhaps you could read news:alt.2600 and news:alt.hackers.malicious for a good definition. It comes up occasionally.
In addition to this YMLTK that the original hackers were to be found in places like Bletchley and in the Lyons Corner House computer department; in the latter the first computerised payroll and other delights were to be found ( https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&hl=en&q=cache:PVgcH_looE4J:http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/topic/tax/computerised-payrolls-golden-anniversary+lyons+corner+house+first+computerised+pay+roll&ct=clnk ). These people were hackers. What passes for that today are mere script kiddies and, worse still, people who buy or are given interfaces to do the thing for them. Anyone for LOIC? Hackers are people who solve problems, and this includes white hats, grey hats and black hats. Most of the hackers that I know are security oriented, run networks and work doing it for a living.
The term 'hacker' has been hijacked by the press and misused, in much the same way that 'biker' and 'schizophrenia' have been.
These people ain't hackers.
Re: I'm Impressed
Time to toddle along to news:alt.usenet.kooks and nominate these people for the Ron Bobo award. The award is described thus:
"The ultimate achievement in the Kook Arts. Given in recognition of the lifetime work of those who rise above and beyond the call of net.looniness, the Bobo is reserved for those whose sheer quest at whatever it is they're pursuing knows Absolutely No Bounds, whether they be global humiliation, jail time, even death. Several Bobo honorees are, in fact, in jail or deceased. Think of it as the Internet's version of the Darwin Award."
The AUK pages are being rehashed, but you can find a copy of the FAQ and stuff here http://web.archive.org/web/20070505091641/http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html
I think it fair to say that these people have just qualified. Go to news:alt.usenet.kooks and make a nom if you want. If the skiddies don't know Usenet (most of the new breed of children don't know text only medium) they can go to google groups, where I suspect they'll find themselves more at home, though they need to be careful what they say. They could be LARTed, and there are ways to make sure that a k00k gets its just deserts. I'll be watching.
Re: Fidelity Bravery Integrity
"Anyway, money is just money and can be replaced (speaking as someone who has had card details stolen and used for years)."
[...]
"I personally do not condone any illegal activity he might have materially benefited from"
Yet you just did, and this is worse than pirating films. I've experienced this kind of theft twice, once in about 1996 the other time this year, and I can tell you that it is no less unpleasant now than it was before. There is no such thing here as a victimless crime.
However, it's good of you to show that your blasé attitude to the law is consistent across the spectrum.
Re: You need more Research
Speaking of which I've been wondering about the fate of Cyperpunk and Mixmaster remailers. There are man in the middle and other attacks, and I suspect that by now these facilities are as riddled as Tor et al.. Nowhere to hide.
Re: Proportionality
"The sooner idjits learn that, the better off we will all be."
<Judge Roy Bean>
Hang 'em
</Judge Roy Bean>
Re: Assumptions
Perhaps 'Beaver' likes gorgonzola. ;->
Re: Am I the only one here that thinks this is not good?
...though you may be defrocked.
Re: FBI did it for what?
What was it that Reagan said? Oh yes "Message to terrorists everywhere; you can run, but you can't hide".
Re: @Schorchio!!
" Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that in our glorious free democracy, no one can even be indicted of a crime without the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions. Who never agrees to bring charges against "people like us" "
Perhaps we can change and emulate Iceland;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17254544
How I wish, fervently. The things done by to our country by these experimenters were very badly wrong. They had no right.
@The Alpha Klutz
"tony blair makes the scum of the earth look good"
Until I read this I thought that ToniBler *was* the scum of the earth. I stand corrected.
Re: Tony Blair is a King!
It would seem that you did not hear him, after he was pus^HAhed and resigned; you are all blessed. Ah, lovely.
Re: @Schorchio!!
I err on the side of caution because the BMA stats were shown to be erroneous, and because I like to have an irrefutable dataset when thinking of capital punishment! However, I'll be happy to see the full set produced in court, with Jeb and Tone sitting next to one another, holding hands and praying to their god.
The comparison with the holocaust is apt, and I note that the Jews are one of the 5 Semitic tribes, one of which was in Babylon IIRC. Always worth remembering.
Otherwise I apologise for the surge of anger in my post. The sight of that smug, sh*t eating grin with its massive bank balance is sometimes more than the honest man in me can bear. No wait. I've just thought of something... ...actually, no. I've just exercised restraint and cut my comments about using my ex military skills as a marksman on a drop forged, bolt action rifle. That would never do. Unless passed into law of course.
Re: you might not be saying it...
The same fate as Mussolini would be apt, and let us not forget all of the other scumbags in his party who took us over the edge of the cliff that was Iraq; let us not forget Blair's/Roche's/Straw's clandestine immigration policy which was revealed in 2009 after years of denial and calling those who protested 'racist', and the court case against Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch, inspired by these doublespeak liars. These people were responsible for the renaissance of extreme right wing politics in the UK and yet they blamed those who deserted them for their anti working class attitudes, calling them 'racist'. These were acts of unspeakable folly, acts which fostered the extreme right wing, placing a country with housing, food, energy, water and phosphate (read fertilizer) shortages in even greater jeopardy. Because these people played population genetics (something not done I believe since Stalin) in order to "spite the right" without thinking of or referring to their electoral employers we face the prospect of having the largest population of any country in the EU. Then there are the massive debts left by their adventurist policies abroad, the wasted money in the form of white elephant projects (IT and other) and their deliberate folly of selling 60% of treasury reserve gold when the price was at a 20 year low; these people practised waste with the sort of alacrity I have seldom seen outside of religion. Then there were deliberate manipulations of statistics which led (e.g.) Sir Michael Scholar of the UK statistics authority to chastise Harman for misrepresenting the statistics to suit her ideology.
These things among others are ToniBler's legacy (he having the dubious distinction of having taken this country to war more times than any PM in our history), and that of his wastrel friends, and I sincerely hope that we are able to bring them to justice for their offences, against international law and within the bounds of this country, in the Hague and in our national courts.
If their repeal of the treason act can be shown, in the light of subsequent acts, to have been a deliberate and calculated way of avoiding the consequences of treason, then you may well have your hearts' desire; whilst retrospective legislation is in principle not possible, retrospective restoration of legislation overturned deliberately to facilitate crimes would appear to be eminently possible. If you and others lobby your MP who knows, perhaps pigs will fly, perhaps you will see TonBler et al. prosecuted, convicted and awarded the ultimate punishment for his misdeeds against the Iraqi people and the people of this country.
It embarrasses me to say that I am willing to let my principled stand against capital punishment slide in the case of Blair, and would happily do the deed myself as long as I am given 2 x 9mm parabellum rounds and a Browning 9mm; one round as a warmer into the bank, the other round in between the eyes, no less than 10 seconds later. He has to have time to pray to his 'God'.
@Jeebus
Please, spare a moment for the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.
Re: What a fucking hypocrite!
What is more the fucking dork didn't know how to use PGP and thus his email was exposed to the outside world. Prick. I wish that his Muslim attacker in a Palestinian mosque had succeeded, and I'll even take religion if he and his ilk are assassinated. It would have been appropriate had he been bagged up and sent to bin Laden as a present for Ede (sp?). Big Brother? More like dirty greasball.
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