What makes you think I don't have first hand knowledge of how the financial institutions of this country operate?
I'm not saying it is done for penny-pinching purposes, I'm saying that their networks have become so organic and cumbersome that it is inevitable that some critical services aren't given 100% attention when it comes to failover and testing.
Billions of pounds can go missing for days in the current systems, and since banks only pay these kinds of sums at the last minute it usually means a hefty financial penalty. Doesn't stop it happening though.
Having said that, from another look at the graph their system is only better than a console+tv IF you have a 30ms rtt to their servers? Well, that certainly isn't me.
Comparing a console+tv to an online experience without adding the network latency is misleading at best, and duplicitous at worst.
From what I could see from the charts - they are all measurements of processing when related to getting what is happening in the game on to your screen.
The usual suspect is probably to blame. Someone installed a patch that borked the server and someone(s) else hasn't documented the 'restore from backup' procedure - assuming there is a recent backup.
Can anyone rationally explain the down-votes? Did you think I was being serious or something? Perhaps you were new to El Reg or the UK sense of humour? Inquiring minds want to know.
I've lost track of the number of cracked .exe's I've used over the years because they allow me to play the games I paid for WITHOUT THE EFFING CD IN THE DRIVE.
Absolutely, I think Political Correctness has had it's day.
"anyone who may have fallen victim"
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"anyone who was stupid enough to deal with two Eastern European men on a garage forecourt with obviously stolen goods"
Can someone also convince me that it is possible to withdraw £1400 from a cash machine? The most I can get is £500 (I suppose he could have used multiple cards)
I'm guessing that this isn't just read-only access that is achieved.
If this is the case then how trivial would it be for a bent copper (they do exist you know) to put a bit of incriminating info on the records of the suspected perp?
Surely this would eventually undermine evidencial(sp?) integrity when it comes to court? Especially if this software gets out into the wild.
Hi Harmony, you appear to have missed the general tongue-in-cheek tone, and also the "that icon was supposed to be a joke alert!" notice.
I know they are mostly pirating Western products, or retro-engineering them and making new ones just like the Wests'. My point was that it seems to have given them an edge in the global economy.
Our lawmasters will be splitting hairs with the MPAA for years whilst Chinese conglomerates quietly buy us all up.
I only posted this because I referenced your post to the chap a few posts below who didn't realise you'd already posted this link. I claimed 4 posts above but I think it was only three, hence the filler :)
I've just wandered back to El Reg after reading some stuff on the Onion, and I thought I was still on their site (not just the premise, but the wording of the article).
I'm not sure if anyone has covered this point yet, apologies if so.
The reason there are 'pirates' is because the 'industry' needs them. How else could they drive through Orwellian controls over the internet without a bogeyman?
Same principle applies in government and social controls - you need a bogeyman[person?] in order to put fear into the populace so that they will accept more controls.
Just to clarify, when I say DPI, I don't mean looking at the ultimate data contents of the packets (such as the content of a web page )I mean the <u>http</u> headers.
From a layer 3 perspective, the url forms no part of the IP header, so looking into the payload (which contains the http header) is therefore DPI.
If this doesn't make sense, think of it like an onion, with each layer of skin being an address to be removed to reveal the address to send it to next (such as the next layer up in the OSI 7 layer model).
It might not actually be legal to implement an IP block, consider http1.1 - they could end up blocking a lot of other people if the hosting is done on shared servers.
That said, I believe Web Blocker is DPI URL based rather than DNS (other DNS are available after all).
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What makes you think I don't have first hand knowledge of how the financial institutions of this country operate?
I'm not saying it is done for penny-pinching purposes, I'm saying that their networks have become so organic and cumbersome that it is inevitable that some critical services aren't given 100% attention when it comes to failover and testing.
Billions of pounds can go missing for days in the current systems, and since banks only pay these kinds of sums at the last minute it usually means a hefty financial penalty. Doesn't stop it happening though.
Re: An there was me thinking that...
We are all actors on the stage of life.
It seems you got cast as a curmudgeon.
Re: Sir
A fair point, thanks for pointing that out.
Having said that, from another look at the graph their system is only better than a console+tv IF you have a 30ms rtt to their servers? Well, that certainly isn't me.
Sir
There is a logic fail in here somewhere..ah yes.
Since when did Facebook allow you to close an account? They're worse than M$ or the Mafia.
Re: Sir
So, are you saying that because they are *required* to test every critical system for DR functionality every year that they *have* done?
Seems a bit naive if you don't mind me saying.
Sir
Apples and Oranges.
Comparing a console+tv to an online experience without adding the network latency is misleading at best, and duplicitous at worst.
From what I could see from the charts - they are all measurements of processing when related to getting what is happening in the game on to your screen.
Sir
The usual suspect is probably to blame. Someone installed a patch that borked the server and someone(s) else hasn't documented the 'restore from backup' procedure - assuming there is a recent backup.
Re: Sir
I think it would be worse without them :P
Re: Pah!
Can anyone rationally explain the down-votes? Did you think I was being serious or something? Perhaps you were new to El Reg or the UK sense of humour? Inquiring minds want to know.
Sir
Replacement Fleshlights.
Re: Historical Cost of Nukes
"Sorry, Lewis, I get what you're saying, but by any reasonable measure solar, wind, wave and tidal power are vastly safer than nuclear."
And generate nowhere near enough to meet our needs.
Re: Pah!
tut-tut, get with the program already. It hasn't been global warming for ages, it's 'CLIMATE CHANGE' now (dun-dun-derrrrrrr!)
Re: Welcome to the Lewis and Andrew Show
Are you saying Lewis is wrong?
Re: Easier than legit software?
I've lost track of the number of cracked .exe's I've used over the years because they allow me to play the games I paid for WITHOUT THE EFFING CD IN THE DRIVE.
Re: Antisocial? Give them an ASBO
I would actually donate to this organisation if they actually did go over to China to protest at their coal fired power stations.
I'd donate a lot.
Re: OK, I'll ask Is this news?
"The enhancement to Elcomsoft Phone Password Breaker adds the capability to retrieve user data"
There's a clue in there somewhere, buggered if I can see it though - as you were!
Re: Is this the modern/tech version of..
iPot. ?
Re: Victims? Really?
Absolutely, I think Political Correctness has had it's day.
"anyone who may have fallen victim"
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"anyone who was stupid enough to deal with two Eastern European men on a garage forecourt with obviously stolen goods"
Can someone also convince me that it is possible to withdraw £1400 from a cash machine? The most I can get is £500 (I suppose he could have used multiple cards)
Sir
I'm guessing that this isn't just read-only access that is achieved.
If this is the case then how trivial would it be for a bent copper (they do exist you know) to put a bit of incriminating info on the records of the suspected perp?
Surely this would eventually undermine evidencial(sp?) integrity when it comes to court? Especially if this software gets out into the wild.
Re: Sir
"It's "Cumdribble Bold Caps", isn't it?"
I should have barred entry to professional headline writers*
Well done Mr Haines, you win the slightly soggy biscuit :)
*insert your caveat here.
Re: BIG DUMB YANKER
Ignore the troll.
Sir
"Get rid of Miles per Gallon. We need Miles per Litre."
Surely you meant kilometers per litre?
Re: From the Dead Sheep Dept
It seems to me that the Tories like the economy in good order so they can skim off the top.
Labour are just incompetent and give out money to all and sundry for the most ridiculous purposes.
Not defending the Tories here btw, but compared to Labour they have more respect for money.
Re: Sir
20 upvotes to the winner of the 'name that font' competition.
Sir
That's an awful font they're using. Still, twice...shiny :)
Re: Sir
Hi Harmony, you appear to have missed the general tongue-in-cheek tone, and also the "that icon was supposed to be a joke alert!" notice.
I know they are mostly pirating Western products, or retro-engineering them and making new ones just like the Wests'. My point was that it seems to have given them an edge in the global economy.
Our lawmasters will be splitting hairs with the MPAA for years whilst Chinese conglomerates quietly buy us all up.
Sir
At first glance I thought I saw 'iPAD 2 for £50'
I will admit to being interested for the whole 2 seconds before I saw what it actually said.
Too much for too little for me.
Sir
XKCD has a strip for every occasion it seems.
I only posted this because I referenced your post to the chap a few posts below who didn't realise you'd already posted this link. I claimed 4 posts above but I think it was only three, hence the filler :)
Sir
Really? I can't believe you didn't spot it about 4 posts above your own :)
Sir
Can anyone explain (as if to a 2 year old please) *exactly* what has been stolen.
Are they little text files with 'I promise to pay the bearer 50 BitCoins' and digitally signed or something?
Re: What do they need the funds for?
Presumably Zuckerman got bored of being a billionaire on paper.
Re: Sir
I appear to be having a slight screen dislocation error, that icon was supposed to be a joke alert!
Sir
"China has the highest piracy rate at 77 per cent"
All other factors aside, this is obviously why China is struggling so much in the global economy.
Re: What that I hear
You need a motorbike, not a scooter.
Vrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom!
Re: New or not?
"Well, normally, I would just jack up the OSPF cost,"
You could always try route poisoning. Especially as more and more people have traffic aware GPS.
Re: I'm Confused!
It's easy to become confused, but the difference is clear.
Google's company policy = Do no Evil
TPB's company policy = it varies between 'come and get it' and 'fuck off'
I don't think Google's squillions of dollars has anything to do with it. Oh, you didn't mention that? Silly me, ignore that last.
Sir
I've just wandered back to El Reg after reading some stuff on the Onion, and I thought I was still on their site (not just the premise, but the wording of the article).
Copyright theft of style? Just kiddin' :P
Sir
I'm not sure if anyone has covered this point yet, apologies if so.
The reason there are 'pirates' is because the 'industry' needs them. How else could they drive through Orwellian controls over the internet without a bogeyman?
Same principle applies in government and social controls - you need a bogeyman[person?] in order to put fear into the populace so that they will accept more controls.
This frog is boiled.
Re: Titanic II
Only after being transported accidentally back to 1941 as a result of a freak thunderstorm in Philidelphia.
Re: Sir
Just to clarify, when I say DPI, I don't mean looking at the ultimate data contents of the packets (such as the content of a web page )I mean the <u>http</u> headers.
From a layer 3 perspective, the url forms no part of the IP header, so looking into the payload (which contains the http header) is therefore DPI.
If this doesn't make sense, think of it like an onion, with each layer of skin being an address to be removed to reveal the address to send it to next (such as the next layer up in the OSI 7 layer model).
Re: As a paraglider pilot...
I learned to hang-glide a few years back. I had three close calls including a winch line break at 200 feet with -5mph ground speed.
Once I qualified I gave it up and took up something a bit less dangerous - motorbikes.
Re: why is the address bar url showing "h4n1_flu_study_published"
The header mutated
Re: Rough and Smooth
I would have thought that covering the cell in a thin coat of transparent material that is smooth should sort that out.
Re: @ Blofield's Cat (was:@Andy (was: We knew this 40+ years ago, in grade school/scouts.))
"hoe bread"
The mind boggles.
Re: Well done...
"If they can cut users down to tech-savvy geeks rather than the mainstream, that's a huge achievement for their purposes."
Of course it could also educate the masses in the ways of the tech-savvy geek.
Re: Sir
Good news then, they are definitely using dpi (deep packet inspection for anyone who doesn't know) and filtering based on URL.
Use of the https protocol hides the url header from the Web Blocker's 'sight'. It means people don't actually need to switch DNS.
It also means that Virgin are complying with the court order, but not really bothered if people circumvent it.
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Re: DNS or IP block?
It might not actually be legal to implement an IP block, consider http1.1 - they could end up blocking a lot of other people if the hosting is done on shared servers.
That said, I believe Web Blocker is DPI URL based rather than DNS (other DNS are available after all).
Oh, and Streisand.
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