"And what's that stuff about a sqrt that always returns zero? Seriously are they debating at that level?"
Well, Oracle's arguing that they own the syntax.
Google's response is that you could write an API with the same syntax but every function returning a different result, and it would be silly for Oracle to claim that they own that one, too, because they're different in every way that actually matters. So obviously the syntactical argument fails. That's the point.
"Yes, Siri shifts much of the work off your handheld and onto Apple, but let's not forget that even so the present Jesus mobe has a secondary processor just for cleaning up and compressing your voice and that Apple can't supply enough power on the server side to give you proper answers. So we're still going to need significant power in your eyeglasses."
Google's handsets and servers aren't nearly so woefully underpowered as Apple's, though.
Re: RE: Whuh? or Latency != graphics or frame rate
Yeah, agreed - hadn't even considered audio.
My point was mostly that 100ms is an absurd latency time... things aren't THAT bad right now, at least not on my 18-month-old Android phone. Maybe it was a typo in the original article? ¯\(°_o)/¯
30-10ms is more realistic. I get the distinction you're making between input latency and output latency and you're definitely right, but the article was talking about a hyper-responsive graphical interface, and I just don't see how you do that without a much higher refresh rate. I suppose the trick is to draw that very first frame as soon as possible after the touch event, but now you're talking about synchronizing the asynchronous...
On the other hand, getting the lag time down to 1 ms would be pretty impressive, but when was the last time you saw a 1000hz display, even without a touchscreen?
This depends entirely on graphical complexity. Try running Google's GDC11 test app. It's a little globe that feels natural enough. I mean you can debug it yourself - touch events are sampled at 60 fps and frames are drawn at 30 fps. 100ms is a glaring, painful delay - you'd notice it. It's not there.
Now, many apps run that slowly, especially on single-core processors, but that's not the touchscreen's fault imo.
I gotta say, anyone who actually believed these ads is an idiot.
They might as well have the guy say "remind me when to take my insulin" and Siri fires off an email to his physician and then parses the response into a daily calendar.
Meanwhile, I can tell my Android phone "navigate to X" and it knows exactly what I mean. Or I can tell it "evolutionary common ancestor of dogs and cats", not only because this isn't Jeopardy and I don't have to phrase everything in the form of a question, but because I know how Google works and I know that this is a pretty good search if I want to, you know, actually find relevant information.
The problem with what Apple's trying to do is that behaves very differently based on the KIND of search it thinks you're doing. For example, if I search on Google for Ruby Tuesday, I might be looking for a restaurant chain's locations, stock quotes, corporate website, or wikipedia article. Or maybe I'm looking for a recording of a Rolling Stones song, or a lyrics, or it's own damn wikipedia article - all of these things pop on page one and it's pretty sure one of them is what I want.
With Siri, it basically guesses what I mean, and 90% of the time it will assume I'm looking for a local business listing. Theoretically context words like "tell me how to go to Ruby Tuesday" can help but you never know what's gonna happen, but since Apple is too proud to do a Google search the usual alternative is goddamn WolframAlpha, like I asked it to differentiate secant squared or something.
Also, does anyone else ever get the feeling that, someday, even when we're all cruising around on fusion-powered hoverboards, the Cult of Fuck You Hippies will be doggedly digging things out of the ground to set on fire out of spite?
"Sea level varies by more than a meter between different points, and is rising in some areas and falling in others all the time, changes which are masked in the "global average"."
Do you seriously think that no scientist ever thought to take the fucking TIDES into account?
She was expecting her *friend* to not lose an ovary.
Apparently the Catholic college had their heads so far up its ass that it couldn't bother preventing organ damage to one of their students, because baby Jesus would have cried.
Oh, and by "send one" I don't mean secretly send one without your knowledge, I mean it needs a permission to compose a little message reading "Play the Moron Test!" and ask you to click send.
Like I said in another thread: share buttons. You wanna tell your friends about the app? Well, it needs to know who your friends are. And how do you wanna tell them?
SMS? That's a permission.
Facebook? That's a permission.
Email? That's a permission.
Seriously, The Moron Test is not rifling through your text messages. It just needs to be able to send one.
Basically the whole file system is open - just like on your (non-Linux) desktop.
There are a number of solutions. One, your photo app could encrypt your photos so that no other app could read them. This would get the job done, but you'd be unable to view them in the built-in Gallery or do anything else with them outside the photo app - the classic walled garden approach. Trivially easy to implement, but also crappy.
Rumor has it that future versions of Android will allow apps to limit outside access to their home folders.
Re: Stick this in your god damn greenietard pipe and smoke it!
Amazing. The less-than-100-years that mankind has the capability to measure the world climate just happens to be the coldest 100 out of the past 300 million. A 1 in 3 million probability.
Re: Someone's spiced up the animation with a gratuitous fly-over
It's cool. I mean, if it turns out to be the real deal, we can just suck that water up with a straw or something. We need at least another 200 years to decide.
Re: "WP7 is no experiment, it's here, so deal with it."
If MS gives up on WP7, all they have left in mobile is patent-trolling Android handset manufacturers, and that's kinda ignominious. So they have their Potemkin mobile OS that nobody would be caught dead using, and then Android brings in the Real Money. For now, anyway.
I mean maybe if your hardware sucks balls, W7 might also suck, but I've been running W7 for two years and have not had a single hard crash. Not one BSOD. Ever.
There are not two separate camera permissions, one reading "allows the camera to record at any time" and "allows the camera to record when the users tells it to". If you don't trust Youtube you shouldn't trust any camera app for Android, because they all have the same goddamn permission.
"Allows application to take pictures and videos with the camera. This allows the application at any time to collect images the camera is seeing."
Right. Because there's a goddamn record button in the app. You hit the little camera, it starts recording, and when you're finished it automatically uploads it to Youtube.
Without the camera permission, you cannot record video, even if the user gets on their knees and begs. They're worded for maximum caution but basically anything reasonably fancy - accessing the SD card, for example - requires a permission. Even if the app isn't snooping around, it can't read or write on the SD card unless the user OK's it.
Okay, I don't try to talk on the damn thing, but my shower has a sizable recess for shampoo bottles and I stash my HTC Incredible in there, safely behind a huge empty bottle of T-Gel. I can listen to Slacker News or Rachel Maddow in the morning, and it amplifies the sound nicely to boot. No ill effects from the humidity.
Obviously these scientists are abject retards who have no idea what seasons are. And obviously there are no multi-year climate cycles or anything. Great post, Cletus.
"We are pursuing a proposal from Dr. David Wojick to produce a global warming curriculum for K-12 schools. Dr. Wojick is a consultant with the Office of Scientific and Technical Information at the U.S. Department of Energy in the area of information and communication science. His effort will focus on providing curriculum that shows that the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science."
We have far too many teachers teaching science, that's a big problem.
"Heartland plays an important role in climate communications, especially through our in-house experts (e.g., [James] Taylor) through his Forbes blog and related high profile outlets, our conferences, and through coordination with external networks (such as WUWT ['Watt's Up With That' Anthony Watt's 'public service' blog] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."
Is there any public need that CAN'T be met by an astroturf-funded blogswarm?
If you read through that one, pages 13-14 discuss their astroturf tactics - paid blog commenters as well as entire blogs created by their staff solely to push their agenda.
"We have been following the Wisconsin debate closely, reporting on it in Budget & Tax News, commenting in op-eds and LTEs and on blogs"
So they pay people to comment on blogs, eh? Bowl me over with a feather. I'll be even more shocked if a bunch of their defenders show up here, around, oh, 9 AM, US Central Time...
Never mind the fact that the Dirty Fucking Hippies were proved right AGAIN, it's time to teach the controversy! Mmm, I love the taste of Koch in my mouth.
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Re: uhuh
Yeah, the chinese knockoff has been a tradition for a few millennia now.
Obviously there hasn't been enough austerity yet.
Kinda like how, if you apply enough leeches, the patient stops bleeding.
Re: Short wait here...
Well, I've been waiting 24 hours. So your experience means fuck-all to me. Just sayin'.
Honestly
Given all the corpses that have been dissected over the years... nobody's ever found a frickin' blue grape?
Re: I'm puzzled
Because China has nothing worth stealing? We're talking about a country where even the eggs are fake.
Re: Evolution?
"where did RNA come from"
Nucleotides form spontaneously from inorganic molecules (e.g. formamide) under heat and UV.
Re: I don't get it at all
"And what's that stuff about a sqrt that always returns zero? Seriously are they debating at that level?"
Well, Oracle's arguing that they own the syntax.
Google's response is that you could write an API with the same syntax but every function returning a different result, and it would be silly for Oracle to claim that they own that one, too, because they're different in every way that actually matters. So obviously the syntactical argument fails. That's the point.
Re: iPhone users <> Apple fanbois
<> is googlewhacked...
Your search - <> - did not match any documents.
Re: Processing power?
"Yes, Siri shifts much of the work off your handheld and onto Apple, but let's not forget that even so the present Jesus mobe has a secondary processor just for cleaning up and compressing your voice and that Apple can't supply enough power on the server side to give you proper answers. So we're still going to need significant power in your eyeglasses."
Google's handsets and servers aren't nearly so woefully underpowered as Apple's, though.
Who cares
I'm too busy reserving the Criterion Collection release of Kindergarten Cop!
http://www.criterion.com/films/28373-kindergarten-cop
Ironically
If they had simply announced the first results on April 1, this guy could still have a job.
Re: RE: Whuh? or Latency != graphics or frame rate
Yeah, agreed - hadn't even considered audio.
My point was mostly that 100ms is an absurd latency time... things aren't THAT bad right now, at least not on my 18-month-old Android phone. Maybe it was a typo in the original article? ¯\(°_o)/¯
30-10ms is more realistic. I get the distinction you're making between input latency and output latency and you're definitely right, but the article was talking about a hyper-responsive graphical interface, and I just don't see how you do that without a much higher refresh rate. I suppose the trick is to draw that very first frame as soon as possible after the touch event, but now you're talking about synchronizing the asynchronous...
Re: Guide?
http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/hello-world.html
Re: Parallels to be drawn
"...Siri either did not understand what Plaintiff was asking, or, after a very long wait time, responded with the wrong answer."
Waaaaait a minute... they never mentioned this before, but her full name is Siri Palin.
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Re: Whuh?
On the other hand, getting the lag time down to 1 ms would be pretty impressive, but when was the last time you saw a 1000hz display, even without a touchscreen?
Whuh?
This depends entirely on graphical complexity. Try running Google's GDC11 test app. It's a little globe that feels natural enough. I mean you can debug it yourself - touch events are sampled at 60 fps and frames are drawn at 30 fps. 100ms is a glaring, painful delay - you'd notice it. It's not there.
Now, many apps run that slowly, especially on single-core processors, but that's not the touchscreen's fault imo.
I gotta say, anyone who actually believed these ads is an idiot.
They might as well have the guy say "remind me when to take my insulin" and Siri fires off an email to his physician and then parses the response into a daily calendar.
Meanwhile, I can tell my Android phone "navigate to X" and it knows exactly what I mean. Or I can tell it "evolutionary common ancestor of dogs and cats", not only because this isn't Jeopardy and I don't have to phrase everything in the form of a question, but because I know how Google works and I know that this is a pretty good search if I want to, you know, actually find relevant information.
The problem with what Apple's trying to do is that behaves very differently based on the KIND of search it thinks you're doing. For example, if I search on Google for Ruby Tuesday, I might be looking for a restaurant chain's locations, stock quotes, corporate website, or wikipedia article. Or maybe I'm looking for a recording of a Rolling Stones song, or a lyrics, or it's own damn wikipedia article - all of these things pop on page one and it's pretty sure one of them is what I want.
With Siri, it basically guesses what I mean, and 90% of the time it will assume I'm looking for a local business listing. Theoretically context words like "tell me how to go to Ruby Tuesday" can help but you never know what's gonna happen, but since Apple is too proud to do a Google search the usual alternative is goddamn WolframAlpha, like I asked it to differentiate secant squared or something.
Re: destroying the climate change doubters
Also, does anyone else ever get the feeling that, someday, even when we're all cruising around on fusion-powered hoverboards, the Cult of Fuck You Hippies will be doggedly digging things out of the ground to set on fire out of spite?
Re: destroying the climate change doubters
"Moreover, how much energy gets wasted on production of battery packs used in electric cars, as well as their recycling once they get scrapped?"
Ten skillion terawatts, obviously. After all, internal combustion engines grow on trees, and oil extracts and refines and transports and pumps itself.
Re: Scheme
Scheme!
(cons barf (cons puke (cons vomit)))
Re: And on cue...
"Sea level varies by more than a meter between different points, and is rising in some areas and falling in others all the time, changes which are masked in the "global average"."
Do you seriously think that no scientist ever thought to take the fucking TIDES into account?
Seriously?
Re: His remarks were offensive and uncalled-for
She was expecting her *friend* to not lose an ovary.
Apparently the Catholic college had their heads so far up its ass that it couldn't bother preventing organ damage to one of their students, because baby Jesus would have cried.
Heckuva job, Bishops.
Sooo
Cats?
Re: Permissions
Oh, and by "send one" I don't mean secretly send one without your knowledge, I mean it needs a permission to compose a little message reading "Play the Moron Test!" and ask you to click send.
Re: Permissions
Like I said in another thread: share buttons. You wanna tell your friends about the app? Well, it needs to know who your friends are. And how do you wanna tell them?
SMS? That's a permission.
Facebook? That's a permission.
Email? That's a permission.
Seriously, The Moron Test is not rifling through your text messages. It just needs to be able to send one.
Yes
Basically the whole file system is open - just like on your (non-Linux) desktop.
There are a number of solutions. One, your photo app could encrypt your photos so that no other app could read them. This would get the job done, but you'd be unable to view them in the built-in Gallery or do anything else with them outside the photo app - the classic walled garden approach. Trivially easy to implement, but also crappy.
Rumor has it that future versions of Android will allow apps to limit outside access to their home folders.
Re: Stick this in your god damn greenietard pipe and smoke it!
Amazing. The less-than-100-years that mankind has the capability to measure the world climate just happens to be the coldest 100 out of the past 300 million. A 1 in 3 million probability.
What crappy luck...
Re: Re: Announcement now published - 10k chars are back
Test result: 10k limit is non-inclusive. Real limit is 9,999.
Re: Announcement now published - 10k chars are back
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Re: Someone's spiced up the animation with a gratuitous fly-over
It's cool. I mean, if it turns out to be the real deal, we can just suck that water up with a straw or something. We need at least another 200 years to decide.
Sounds like Blade Runner, innit?
Yeah well
Apple lawsuit #123177457152 ("a method for calculating 2+2 on a mobile device") coming right up!
Re: "WP7 is no experiment, it's here, so deal with it."
If MS gives up on WP7, all they have left in mobile is patent-trolling Android handset manufacturers, and that's kinda ignominious. So they have their Potemkin mobile OS that nobody would be caught dead using, and then Android brings in the Real Money. For now, anyway.
Re: Sadly, you're right
Lolwut? W7 is a dream.
I mean maybe if your hardware sucks balls, W7 might also suck, but I've been running W7 for two years and have not had a single hard crash. Not one BSOD. Ever.
It's their first decent OS.
Paranoia
None of the people I've texted in the past month are in my Facebook chat list.
Re: What puzzles me
In a word, share buttons. "Tell your friends!"
Share via SMS? "Read and send text messages" permission.
Share via Facebook? "Full internet access" permission.
Share via Gmail? Google account permission.
Share via other email? Email account permission.
You might think there's some built-in ShareButton class that lets every app do all these ubiquitous tasks without special permissions. Nope.
Re: Re: Just say no
There are not two separate camera permissions, one reading "allows the camera to record at any time" and "allows the camera to record when the users tells it to". If you don't trust Youtube you shouldn't trust any camera app for Android, because they all have the same goddamn permission.
"Allows application to take pictures and videos with the camera. This allows the application at any time to collect images the camera is seeing."
Right. Because there's a goddamn record button in the app. You hit the little camera, it starts recording, and when you're finished it automatically uploads it to Youtube.
Without the camera permission, you cannot record video, even if the user gets on their knees and begs. They're worded for maximum caution but basically anything reasonably fancy - accessing the SD card, for example - requires a permission. Even if the app isn't snooping around, it can't read or write on the SD card unless the user OK's it.
Shower user here
Okay, I don't try to talk on the damn thing, but my shower has a sizable recess for shampoo bottles and I stash my HTC Incredible in there, safely behind a huge empty bottle of T-Gel. I can listen to Slacker News or Rachel Maddow in the morning, and it amplifies the sound nicely to boot. No ill effects from the humidity.
Haha
There's always three phases of spin.
1) You can't prove anything.
2) <leak occurs>
3) Everyone already knew that.
Re: I was just wondering...
Obviously these scientists are abject retards who have no idea what seasons are. And obviously there are no multi-year climate cycles or anything. Great post, Cletus.
Re: Re: You *are* biased
And these new species come individually wrapped from the vending machine, or something?
I believe the term you're ignoring is adaptive radiation.
Right
That's why Texas has such nice cracked, brown, smoldering lawns. Better than before. Now who's smart, huh?
(This post brought to you by the Heartland Institute)
Criminy
Even when I was 8, I'm pretty sure I could avoid self-immolating via tea candle.
Public services
Yeah, they're really vital.
"We are pursuing a proposal from Dr. David Wojick to produce a global warming curriculum for K-12 schools. Dr. Wojick is a consultant with the Office of Scientific and Technical Information at the U.S. Department of Energy in the area of information and communication science. His effort will focus on providing curriculum that shows that the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science."
We have far too many teachers teaching science, that's a big problem.
"Heartland plays an important role in climate communications, especially through our in-house experts (e.g., [James] Taylor) through his Forbes blog and related high profile outlets, our conferences, and through coordination with external networks (such as WUWT ['Watt's Up With That' Anthony Watt's 'public service' blog] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."
Is there any public need that CAN'T be met by an astroturf-funded blogswarm?
Who says America has lost its work ethic?
That's the point
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/(1-15-2012)%202012%20Fundraising%20Plan.pdf
If you read through that one, pages 13-14 discuss their astroturf tactics - paid blog commenters as well as entire blogs created by their staff solely to push their agenda.
You're not supposed to know who they are.
You don't say!
"We have been following the Wisconsin debate closely, reporting on it in Budget & Tax News, commenting in op-eds and LTEs and on blogs"
So they pay people to comment on blogs, eh? Bowl me over with a feather. I'll be even more shocked if a bunch of their defenders show up here, around, oh, 9 AM, US Central Time...
Cue silence from the "liberal media"
Never mind the fact that the Dirty Fucking Hippies were proved right AGAIN, it's time to teach the controversy! Mmm, I love the taste of Koch in my mouth.
Say, where's Lewis Page when you need him?
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