I think the point was that they are claiming that their opinions are not going to be based mainly on facts or include biased becuase they are apple fanatics. To be an expert you have to be able to derive an opinion on evidence, not because you think it's neat.
Not wanting to stick up for oracle, but they did shell out a fair bit of cash so not exactly money for nothing, revenues form this would have affected the price they paid for Sun.
RE: Can the tools suggested here take an existing PDF ...
I can understand how companies get them selves in enough mess where this is needed, but surely this is fundamentally a workflow problem. In my mind a PDF is an output format, updating/editing/tweaking should be case of modifying the source document(s)/data and/or some generation options.
Don't get me started on PDF forms, especially those the HRMC make me fill in.
Would this not mean some hacker could create a reality bomb ala the daleks, they only needed a botnet of 27 [planets] before they could use neutrinos to wipe out all life but their own. Better check my firewall and av software!
How true, it's got a little bit better, but unless there is a big change by the time I have enough time to install, test and upgrade to something else I'm saying goodbye to ubuntu.
Given the choice, when I used irix, solaris and linux every day I preferred using them in that same order, at home there was never any choice (course now I've got some aging sgi and sun boxes I can't remember when I last powered them up).
But to be fair you are comparing apples to oranges, or maybe tangerines to satsumas?
Unless I'm mistaking motorla were asking for this in an attempt to negotate without resorting to legal action for Apples existing infringement. Apple said no so they decided to try the other route. Can't see what point apple are trying to make here other than the fact they felt the "settlement" being asked was too excessive.
Maybe Apple consider haggling too common for them.
Wish I was in a position to have as much free time, although I could probably find something better to do. Thought running a country might have been more demanding.
Some maybe something like a thumbnail? Maybe they should add the ability to embed a thumbnail image inside something like a jpeg, oh sorry, already there for exactly this reason.
One thing I like about new apple products, they keep the price of older versions close to the new ones. Makes it a cheaper upgrade path when you want to to ditch most of the "old" test equipment.
.. that I would like . BTW, I use xcode at least a few hours a week. Unless you are knocking together a few apps in your spare time for fun or some pocket money, you are not going to be as productive as you could be if you had a better integrated tool chain.
The things you mention are essentials, all it provides is the core tools, some UI design tools, coding, building and debugging tools. A tool chain is much more than a text editor/compiler/debugger if you want to be cost effective, and ideally every part of that chain should be swappable.
ADT is based on eclipse for a reason. ADT may not provide much beyond the core stuff for developing, but through eclipse it is immediately integrated with a rich eco structure.
Where is the integration from Jira/Trac/whatever my client is using, not forgetting my own trac instance.
Where is the rich support for unit tests and code coverage, eclipse will run unit tests for modified code in the background, telling me about failures or execution paths not exercised.
Refactoring? How many core refactoring patterns are there in xcode, you can't even rename a method/message name, never mind say turning the selected lines of code into a method or extracting a delegate and interface from existing code?
Drawing a few data structures hardly is up there for real useable data design. Do you really want your underlying data definition to be a diagram in a propriety tool only available on one platform? How can I put this into client facing documents, generate code from, create a database schema, generate entities/daos/early binding data models/user documentation, never mind reusing that in non apple apps.
Oh yeah, and eclipse/adt is not a 2-3Gb download every month to stay up to date and no need to repair your project settings every time you upgrade.
Feel free to down vote, sure plenty will do, but they probably stick a "Made with Notepad" sign on their web sites.
Lets just say I don't consider a tool chain of semi aware text editor/compiler/debugger/ui designer and a noddy "data design" tool to be a enough for developing professional software in an _efficient_ way.
Can't believe this was down voted. Someone stating they don't have problems with fragmentation, what is the problem there.
Was it "Apple's market fragmentation is just as bad, if not worse", that is true, if you want to use something new in the latest iOs you have to choose to ignore customers who can't/don't want to upgrade. I have "old" apple products that I can't get anything for nowadays.
And how many ios apps only work well on an ipad, ignoring iphones/ipods and vice versa.
Differing API versions and screen sizes, both issues on apple and android devices.
But you are right on the money about xcode being horrid, any time I have do any osx/ios development it's like jumping back in time 10 years. It's hardly a rich development experience, no doubt I'll get loads of down votes from people who have never used anything else, or at least anything recent.
"copying it threatened the security of vitally important source code"
not saying he wasn't wrong doing this. But if exposing the source code can threaten the security then it's because it's not very secure, hope they don't use this angle in the court case.
You've caught up with the rest of the country. I've got one of these passes due to a disability that prevents me from holding a driving license, I've also used in on bus services in quite a few areas and buses have been doing this for some time now.
Just thought I'd clarify, I gained this right by dropping out of my phd, after 8 years of being a student I needed to earn some money. Course if i'd been more intelligent/motivated I might have finished sooner.
Why oh why does the rest of english media think they have to hack peoples phones to give their readers what they think they want. Top marks to el reg for continuing the legacy of REAL journalism.
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Common sense prevails somewhere in the US legal system at last!
Who'd have thought it !
Wonder how much it would cost
to stick a solar panel or two on every house hold?
RE: Who but an expert ...
I think the point was that they are claiming that their opinions are not going to be based mainly on facts or include biased becuase they are apple fanatics. To be an expert you have to be able to derive an opinion on evidence, not because you think it's neat.
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Re: who buys milk in pints
I do, glass pint size bottles delivered to my door step. If only the delivered beer in the same way (and that it wouldn't get nicked).
wow
To have so much free time
Re: Put a sticker on it
Should have posted AC, expect apple to be calling soon with court order for you to divulge your friends name.
Re: @sueme2 - Its not the final product
It is if you are publishing the recipe.
Re: @jake
A poor attempt at humour.
However, just because we don't need em doesn't mean I can't use them.
emoticons
we don't need no stinkin emoticons :-I
Re: Of course, since cadmium is such a harmless element
Think you are missing the point. It's a starting point, get something working and improve upon it to get something practical
Re: no multiple inheritance
"I like to throw that one in because it seems I'm the only person in the world"
Not the only one, but pretty sure you are in the minority. Try repeating the folloing mantra 10x a day, "composition, not inheritance"
Re: It was getting money for nothing on this one
Not wanting to stick up for oracle, but they did shell out a fair bit of cash so not exactly money for nothing, revenues form this would have affected the price they paid for Sun.
Re: @"no conceptual need for " ... Negative numbers?!
Think you are misreading that, of course java supports negative number. It doesn't however have _UN_signed integer types
Not the first
Frogpad do one, http://www.frogpad.com/magic-numberpad.php
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RE: Can the tools suggested here take an existing PDF ...
I can understand how companies get them selves in enough mess where this is needed, but surely this is fundamentally a workflow problem. In my mind a PDF is an output format, updating/editing/tweaking should be case of modifying the source document(s)/data and/or some generation options.
Don't get me started on PDF forms, especially those the HRMC make me fill in.
Dalek Hackers?
Would this not mean some hacker could create a reality bomb ala the daleks, they only needed a botnet of 27 [planets] before they could use neutrinos to wipe out all life but their own. Better check my firewall and av software!
Re: Fair enough
How true, it's got a little bit better, but unless there is a big change by the time I have enough time to install, test and upgrade to something else I'm saying goodbye to ubuntu.
Re: Since when has linux been unix?
Given the choice, when I used irix, solaris and linux every day I preferred using them in that same order, at home there was never any choice (course now I've got some aging sgi and sun boxes I can't remember when I last powered them up).
But to be fair you are comparing apples to oranges, or maybe tangerines to satsumas?
Re: For a moment, I almost felt..
> Linux ... desktop ... Microsoft server
Have I just entered the twilight zone?
Re: Since when has linux been unix?
oops, does that exclaimation mark make a double negative and thus claim GNU/Linux is Unix?
Since when has linux been unix?
Thought the N in GNU/Linux was not!
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Re: Hmm
Unless I'm mistaking motorla were asking for this in an attempt to negotate without resorting to legal action for Apples existing infringement. Apple said no so they decided to try the other route. Can't see what point apple are trying to make here other than the fact they felt the "settlement" being asked was too excessive.
Maybe Apple consider haggling too common for them.
Time to play angry birds
Wish I was in a position to have as much free time, although I could probably find something better to do. Thought running a country might have been more demanding.
Re: App?
> since those can have icons just like native iOS apps
Not excalty like them, the corners have to be non round.
Re: It is non-obvious
Some maybe something like a thumbnail? Maybe they should add the ability to embed a thumbnail image inside something like a jpeg, oh sorry, already there for exactly this reason.
Re: See one thing hasn't changed
Oops, turns out I can't read, thought it was $399 for the new ipad in the us, actually $499, doh
Here is an idea
Allow the user the choice between which service they want to use!
See one thing hasn't changed
See the £/$ conversion ratio remains at 1 :-(
One thing I like about new apple products, they keep the price of older versions close to the new ones. Makes it a cheaper upgrade path when you want to to ditch most of the "old" test equipment.
"drinks were spilled"
Didn't think this was much of an issue until I read that!
A couple of MPs being hit fair enough, but spilling beer :-( Hope they through away the key, especially if our tax money subsidised it
"number of employees were still friends with him"
Bet they aren't now! (Assuming he has read the message)
@ThomH Xcode is still missing plenty of features
.. that I would like . BTW, I use xcode at least a few hours a week. Unless you are knocking together a few apps in your spare time for fun or some pocket money, you are not going to be as productive as you could be if you had a better integrated tool chain.
The things you mention are essentials, all it provides is the core tools, some UI design tools, coding, building and debugging tools. A tool chain is much more than a text editor/compiler/debugger if you want to be cost effective, and ideally every part of that chain should be swappable.
ADT is based on eclipse for a reason. ADT may not provide much beyond the core stuff for developing, but through eclipse it is immediately integrated with a rich eco structure.
Where is the integration from Jira/Trac/whatever my client is using, not forgetting my own trac instance.
Where is the rich support for unit tests and code coverage, eclipse will run unit tests for modified code in the background, telling me about failures or execution paths not exercised.
Refactoring? How many core refactoring patterns are there in xcode, you can't even rename a method/message name, never mind say turning the selected lines of code into a method or extracting a delegate and interface from existing code?
Drawing a few data structures hardly is up there for real useable data design. Do you really want your underlying data definition to be a diagram in a propriety tool only available on one platform? How can I put this into client facing documents, generate code from, create a database schema, generate entities/daos/early binding data models/user documentation, never mind reusing that in non apple apps.
Oh yeah, and eclipse/adt is not a 2-3Gb download every month to stay up to date and no need to repair your project settings every time you upgrade.
Feel free to down vote, sure plenty will do, but they probably stick a "Made with Notepad" sign on their web sites.
Deleted my reply
As I can't be bothered with the obvious replies.
Lets just say I don't consider a tool chain of semi aware text editor/compiler/debugger/ui designer and a noddy "data design" tool to be a enough for developing professional software in an _efficient_ way.
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Downvoted!
Can't believe this was down voted. Someone stating they don't have problems with fragmentation, what is the problem there.
Was it "Apple's market fragmentation is just as bad, if not worse", that is true, if you want to use something new in the latest iOs you have to choose to ignore customers who can't/don't want to upgrade. I have "old" apple products that I can't get anything for nowadays.
And how many ios apps only work well on an ipad, ignoring iphones/ipods and vice versa.
Differing API versions and screen sizes, both issues on apple and android devices.
Nothing against Objective C
But you are right on the money about xcode being horrid, any time I have do any osx/ios development it's like jumping back in time 10 years. It's hardly a rich development experience, no doubt I'll get loads of down votes from people who have never used anything else, or at least anything recent.
RE: You're all kids
back in my day we used to cover each others gills, pass out and float to the surface
PC sales down
obviously means less new copies of windows being sold. How long before MS start trying to sell incremental updates to existing windows users.
"copying it threatened the security of vitally important source code"
not saying he wasn't wrong doing this. But if exposing the source code can threaten the security then it's because it's not very secure, hope they don't use this angle in the court case.
Knife == Dangerous Weapon
Many places do not allow you to take things in that could be used as a weapon, I've see penknives as examples cited on quite a few lists.
You mean 64K
Not that it makes much difference, still change from under the sofa to them
Health and Safety policy
in most places I have worked at would prevent me from taking this on site. Personally, I'd rather have a usb stick/cigarette lighter combo.
Well done Somerset
You've caught up with the rest of the country. I've got one of these passes due to a disability that prevents me from holding a driving license, I've also used in on bus services in quite a few areas and buses have been doing this for some time now.
Ask them then
let us know how you get on
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A friend told me years ago that "they" could hear you over your mobile phone,
Tell me something I don't know, I had to listen to that conversation.
right not to call them selves a dr
Just thought I'd clarify, I gained this right by dropping out of my phd, after 8 years of being a student I needed to earn some money. Course if i'd been more intelligent/motivated I might have finished sooner.
"didn't beat around the bush"
Why oh why does the rest of english media think they have to hack peoples phones to give their readers what they think they want. Top marks to el reg for continuing the legacy of REAL journalism.
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