I just picked up an Onda Vi40 - 9.7" ips screen (capacitive, 5point touch) 16gb 1.2ghz a10 with Mali 400 and ICS for about £150 direct from china...
Its no Ipad, but its alright for light browsing and suchlike... The models here look the same as quite a few noname tabs from the wholesalerrs for about £70
Byod is something I really don't like, aside from the security, fit for purpose, company image, performance and licencing implications I am of the opinion that work should supply my work tools... This is just a scam for organisations to skimp with a delicate, expensive thing that I need to accomplish my work. Equally I don't like the idea that if I bring my own kit, and then the office get a snoop vr the machine before applying thir own management suite on it.
I don't know what sort of hd you enjoy, but I found atv2 dreadful at the task...
I was willing to put up with 720 downscaling as he atv was to go with the bedroom tv, and but feed the thing anything over about 4GB and it's welcome to the stuttering! My 40GB content doesn't even start! this is over a 3x3 n speed network or a cat6 cabled gigabit network, the little processor just can't cut the mustard!
It's now relegated to airplaying photos and videos from my phone when the parents visit.... But even that is delt with better by my revo xbmc machine.
DRM, please, everybody stop going on about this... rootkits were not directly sonys fault and every company known to man is now enforcing DRM onto any content...
still, i find sony overpriced, averagely styled and shockingly average.... everything I owned used to that brand, but over the years its been replaced by other brands (on current technical merit not politics) and now its just down to my PS3 & PSP
Casio - ive had one of these since release and I love it... the SD card cover is rediculous, but so far its never popped open....
Ive taken the camera to parties, the beach, pool, sailing, coastereering, clivff diving and my 3 yearold uses it whenever we go out.
on paper its not as rugged as the rest, but in general use its more than resilient plus, compared to the rest of the chunkers its sevelte enough to slip in a pocket and its smart enough to use in non-extreme scenarios.
The model reviewed is dated now, so performance wise it is behind the others, most noticably the video is only DVD quality, but as a second camera for kicking about its a great little tool.
Im just an occasional gamer, so almost exclusively buy preowned, I cant warrant £40-£55 for a game that I will just play in drips and drabs, Im not botered if a game takes 10 hours or 100 hours to complete, I will only get anough time to scrape the surface - Full time job, young kids, books and real social interaction put the kybosh on that...
If software was tied to a limited number of activations, then decimate the price, £20 and id still bend over for it, but £50 not a chance, ill be downloading PSN titles for the forseeable...
Love them, or hate them, you cant help but be impressed at the way Apple can generate hype, keep customers and shift stock...
Much like facebook, they just manage to keep the hype and momentum going, I keep waiting for the bubble to burst, but it doesnt look like doing that anytime soon...
note, im no fanboi, just someone that is in awe of the ability of a company to extract non-trivial sums of money from millions of customers in this sort of economy.
Ti book - the water soluble paint used on the carbon fiber wrist surround wore away when i was using the machine in the summer, the exposed carbon fibre became a conductor for earth leakage from the un grounded psu = electric shock if i used the machine with sweaty wrists - the solution was to use stickytape to insulate the front of the laptop. the carbon fibre surround fractured where the hinges are attatched.
Powerbook G4 SD - 2 superdrives failed, eats a battery a year. charging board failed, touchpad failed.
Panasonic Toughbook - 3 years, battery still at 80%wear no broken bits.
Dell Lattitude - battery kaput in 2 years, but 3 years and no hardware issues or electrocution issues...
I like apple, but Of all the apple kit I have owned, the user experience is good, but the hardware is sub par for the cost.
this year alone I have deployed over 100 Dell laptops and had no hardware issues - other than water ingress after a client upeneded a drink into the machine.
Legacy software that 'just pretty much sorta works'
or some monster gumberment IT spend that pretty much works mostly as well, but has just cost half the national debt and is delivered late and broken....
2 paragraphs and no details on something actually interesting, but pages and pages and pages of useless regurgitation, fawning at any hint of appleness...
Please, it would be good to have some more details.
have you seen the build quailty of a toughbook, My old CF-29 is literally indestructable! Yacht racing its just stamped on, thrown in a locker with anchors, rope, winch handles, etc, its launched off tables with its diplay open and used in torrential rain... as a party peice, i tend to clean its screen under the tap... and have been known to start it sat in the sink with the taps on full, water covering the keyboard... its used as a step, or screen opened, laptop on end and sat on when its standing room only in the train...
The Dell XFR that replaced it is crazy fast compared to it, but i had to treat it with so much care that its cosseted as much as a standard lattitude!
This is only the business rugged version, but a similar amount of care goes into the creation of one of these... its expensive, but without doubt, this is money is money well spent...
all those applications require you to supply a licened copy of windows and office. this model appears to give you access without paying a bean to microsoft....
XBMC on the ATV2 is dreadul... crippled by the 720p only output and the inability to play anything over about 5GB in size... mine was un-jailbroken and returned to showing photos and playing itunes... of which it does one of those functions terribly!
The Pi? i didnt think that had the processing grunt for serious HTPC duties...
You guys seem to have missed the 3D shooting mode of this camera too... the sweep panarama can capture mpo images too, which are quite good, but like the panorama it requires a knack to get seamless images, plus you cant take a 3d photo of a moving subject.
Also, creative modes that enthusiasts would like?? seriously? I cant think of a single person, certainly no enthusiast, that (other than my dad and a few 'challenged' individuals) that have used incamera effects... all this can be done much better on a real computer and as far as I am concerend just a waste of firmware space!
So, if my name was Richard Branson and I made porno, Could I gain access to the richardbranson.xxx domain that is for all intents and purposes being cybersquatted??
I totally agree with you mike, but along with all the cryptic commands I find the esults poor at best!
I too have really tried to migrate to Duck Duck Go... but it is so poor as a search engine...
TV Licence query - no results for the TV licencing site...
infact, moving house, hardly anything i typed produced viable results - google on the other hand, with the same search term produced results which took mt to the correct page... my mind is trained to ignore the sponserd links down the side of google so mountainview gets my seach traffic
and a bit torrent client... download to card, remove card...
job done, bandwith consumed, no tethering...
of course, generally to use that much data easilly you have tethered...
Ive tried several builds of XBMC on my ATV2 and none of them are much cop, even putting up with only 720p output, they have far too little horse power and an anaemic network connection.... 100mbit wired and 150mbit wireless, any decent HD film results in visits from the bufferman every few seconds...
My ATV2 is now used to show the folks photos of the kids airplayed from my phone...
the standby feature bothers me a little, but as the unit lives out under the stairs with the rest of the AV/Networking, I can ignore the white light.
aparrently 1/4 of all the people in the country have fallen for this sort of thing... which makes my mind boggle... I know a lot of people, across all age groups, with varing degrees of IT savvy and stupididty, but I have yet to hear of anyone personally falling for this sort of crap!
facebook has a bunch of my life from a few years ago - when I last used it, it would be nice to be able to recover that in one fell swoop and cut the thing totally dead.
It will also be interesting to see that this does to the social network market, once users arnt tied to a given provider, it opens up a world of opportuniity for all the other socal sites...
I had high hopes for the ATV2 as a bedroom streamer (only 720p didnt matter there) but reverted it back to stock as it just couldnt play most of my library :( hand it anythmg over about 10gb and it buffers more than it plays... over wifi (managed N) or wired gigabit
some people have far too much time on their hands....
I sir, salute you for ustilising said time for supplying me with an awesome satistic for wasting management time by justifying a nuclear powered space probe to my boss as my new mode of transport!!
hmmm... my PS3 slows to a crawl when playing Black-ops, 4 player split screen in 3D...
when a mobile phone is capable of doing this task without breaking a sweat, heating up to melting point, or juicing its battery in seconds, then maybe ill succumb to the fact that smartphones rule the world! or else i will fire up my PSXBOX 900000 and indulge in some fully immersive VR, 3D, AG, Tactile, surround experience!
Ive been using smartpbones since the SPV C500 way back in 2005ish... so am a huge fan, and casual gaming is the current big thing, but they serve a totally different use to a console/media station...
I can hapily binge game for a while, then totally ignore the thing for a few weeks... all depends on the weather, work, social life and the next shiny thing that attracts my attention...
With my 1st gen Momentus I get performance close to that of my old Vertex SSD but with enough room for actually storing data, Im not sure of the focus on booting all the time, I only tend to reboot if an update requires it - 15 seconds (after bios) to resume from hibernate, or 3 seconds to recover from sleep are my usual working day powercycles
I wonder if they will tweak and update the firmware for the first gen?
not so much the meaning of the name, but the ease of transposing it to type... facebook, whatever it means, is an amalgamation of two simple, single syllable, common words with very little scope for error...
Dispora, whilst possibly a suitible title, is not a word that pops into ones head, nor is it overly memorable and to plenty of the great unwashed, a total arse to spell, I had to double check myself...
flash is great, yes we know that, but it is just a succeptable to damage as spinning media, often with worse results... i just had one of my SSD machines loose power, the end result - toasted SSD - no boot, nothing showing in the bios, totally corrupted... much the same a pulling a USB flash drive mid write...
And I am a flash fanboi - having used SSD's since the slow, low capacity drives in my UX1-NX
oh and as for apple fanaticisim, the 6 seconds it takes my bloaty Win7 Dell laptop to recover from sleep is a price im willing to pay for having 500gb of hybrid storage..........
Yes! the day to day running of my hybrid is excellent, the machine resumes from sleep in 5-6 seconds, resumes from hibernate in about 10 seconds, the OS is very responsive nad I have acres of space for storage....
I have trialed an OCZ SSD in this machine and it was faster, no question, but its a trade off between things happening faster than instant for the SSD and instantly for the way I use the hybrid... the hybrid won due to my wasteful use of storage - leaving VHD's and old zip files, gigs in the recycle bin, that sort of thing! the SSD was then just demoted to netbook duties...
ive yet to use one of the 13"models, but the 15"is only 300quid ex vat for a core i3 :) pretty much the best thing out there for the cash,certainly at the entry level they are the most featureful, sofar the alu clad Vostros have made very nice business machines, excluding user abuse, of 70 odd, only one has required a hardware call.
If only dell could make their rugged range as solidly!
I try to avoid and dislike Currys/DSG, but they have proven cheapest for several large items, my Fridge Freezer and washing machine.
Was annoyed as for some reason I could order the washing machine online (wuth a large quidco rebate) and have that delivered, but the fridge freezer - "sorry but home delivery is unavailable in your area" - I live in an average town, 15 miles from a major city! but popping into the store and ordering - home delivery was fine!
Pixmania which is also part of currys was also the cheapest place for tellys - again with money back from quidco - so thats where 2 50"plasmas arrived from - John lewis was nowhere near in price!
but i suppose it all depends on whats on special at what shop at any one time...
some of us do have only BD in thier collection... This isnt supposed to be the centre of your home cinema, but a way of watching content when out and about...
Ripping BD? well, i suppose its possible, but to be honest, I couldnt be bothered. My laptop (P9600 c2duo Dell XFR), while more than capable of playing HD rips would munch the battery - before a film is finished.
I like this... and it makes a much better tool than my laptop - 5 hours life has surprised me, my lappy certainly cant pull that sort of endurance while spinning a disk!
If you own an OralB toothebrush - possibly the most popular brand, then you notice that to comply with weee guidelines, the battery is removable at the products EOL.
you stand the brush on the charger and twist, this breaks the seal and the battery can be removed from the brush for disposal.
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Re: Where's the pointing device?
plug any old mouse, wired or wireless into my onda ICS android tab and it becomes a very useful pointer... without any extra software or fiddling...
headline should read....
In a few years time phone gpu's to outperform 10 year old consoles...
I can well belive it, and the current crop of Android and ios machines are way ahead of the ps2 and game cube...
I just picked up an Onda Vi40 - 9.7" ips screen (capacitive, 5point touch) 16gb 1.2ghz a10 with Mali 400 and ICS for about £150 direct from china...
Its no Ipad, but its alright for light browsing and suchlike... The models here look the same as quite a few noname tabs from the wholesalerrs for about £70
Byod is something I really don't like, aside from the security, fit for purpose, company image, performance and licencing implications I am of the opinion that work should supply my work tools... This is just a scam for organisations to skimp with a delicate, expensive thing that I need to accomplish my work. Equally I don't like the idea that if I bring my own kit, and then the office get a snoop vr the machine before applying thir own management suite on it.
Re: XBMC
I don't know what sort of hd you enjoy, but I found atv2 dreadful at the task...
I was willing to put up with 720 downscaling as he atv was to go with the bedroom tv, and but feed the thing anything over about 4GB and it's welcome to the stuttering! My 40GB content doesn't even start! this is over a 3x3 n speed network or a cat6 cabled gigabit network, the little processor just can't cut the mustard!
It's now relegated to airplaying photos and videos from my phone when the parents visit.... But even that is delt with better by my revo xbmc machine.
Oh and the new ui, and we'll that's just crap!!
Re: they forgot what's important
DRM, please, everybody stop going on about this... rootkits were not directly sonys fault and every company known to man is now enforcing DRM onto any content...
still, i find sony overpriced, averagely styled and shockingly average.... everything I owned used to that brand, but over the years its been replaced by other brands (on current technical merit not politics) and now its just down to my PS3 & PSP
Casio - ive had one of these since release and I love it... the SD card cover is rediculous, but so far its never popped open....
Ive taken the camera to parties, the beach, pool, sailing, coastereering, clivff diving and my 3 yearold uses it whenever we go out.
on paper its not as rugged as the rest, but in general use its more than resilient plus, compared to the rest of the chunkers its sevelte enough to slip in a pocket and its smart enough to use in non-extreme scenarios.
The model reviewed is dated now, so performance wise it is behind the others, most noticably the video is only DVD quality, but as a second camera for kicking about its a great little tool.
Re: More a case of branding
thats old vergin money...
Virgin Bought out Northern Rock so have a real bank now! although MNBA still do the CC
we are going to need a bigger shark............
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Im just an occasional gamer, so almost exclusively buy preowned, I cant warrant £40-£55 for a game that I will just play in drips and drabs, Im not botered if a game takes 10 hours or 100 hours to complete, I will only get anough time to scrape the surface - Full time job, young kids, books and real social interaction put the kybosh on that...
If software was tied to a limited number of activations, then decimate the price, £20 and id still bend over for it, but £50 not a chance, ill be downloading PSN titles for the forseeable...
Love them, or hate them, you cant help but be impressed at the way Apple can generate hype, keep customers and shift stock...
Much like facebook, they just manage to keep the hype and momentum going, I keep waiting for the bubble to burst, but it doesnt look like doing that anytime soon...
note, im no fanboi, just someone that is in awe of the ability of a company to extract non-trivial sums of money from millions of customers in this sort of economy.
Ti book - the water soluble paint used on the carbon fiber wrist surround wore away when i was using the machine in the summer, the exposed carbon fibre became a conductor for earth leakage from the un grounded psu = electric shock if i used the machine with sweaty wrists - the solution was to use stickytape to insulate the front of the laptop. the carbon fibre surround fractured where the hinges are attatched.
Powerbook G4 SD - 2 superdrives failed, eats a battery a year. charging board failed, touchpad failed.
Panasonic Toughbook - 3 years, battery still at 80%wear no broken bits.
Dell Lattitude - battery kaput in 2 years, but 3 years and no hardware issues or electrocution issues...
I like apple, but Of all the apple kit I have owned, the user experience is good, but the hardware is sub par for the cost.
this year alone I have deployed over 100 Dell laptops and had no hardware issues - other than water ingress after a client upeneded a drink into the machine.
Re: I'd worry more...
Much was my thoughts...
Legacy software that 'just pretty much sorta works'
or some monster gumberment IT spend that pretty much works mostly as well, but has just cost half the national debt and is delivered late and broken....
more please...
2 paragraphs and no details on something actually interesting, but pages and pages and pages of useless regurgitation, fawning at any hint of appleness...
Please, it would be good to have some more details.
Re: Well,
looks like im off to japan!
buy a standard definition film?
sorry, but iwhat decade are we in?
Re: For the price...
have you seen the build quailty of a toughbook, My old CF-29 is literally indestructable! Yacht racing its just stamped on, thrown in a locker with anchors, rope, winch handles, etc, its launched off tables with its diplay open and used in torrential rain... as a party peice, i tend to clean its screen under the tap... and have been known to start it sat in the sink with the taps on full, water covering the keyboard... its used as a step, or screen opened, laptop on end and sat on when its standing room only in the train...
The Dell XFR that replaced it is crazy fast compared to it, but i had to treat it with so much care that its cosseted as much as a standard lattitude!
This is only the business rugged version, but a similar amount of care goes into the creation of one of these... its expensive, but without doubt, this is money is money well spent...
Re: Short working day
Oi!! us essex folk wknow all about powersockets.... its the norfolkians that are afeared of the sinister 3 pronged devil...
this isnt rdesktop, vnc, et al....
all those applications require you to supply a licened copy of windows and office. this model appears to give you access without paying a bean to microsoft....
I quite like the idea...
Re: Re: Apple TV?
XBMC on the ATV2 is dreadul... crippled by the 720p only output and the inability to play anything over about 5GB in size... mine was un-jailbroken and returned to showing photos and playing itunes... of which it does one of those functions terribly!
The Pi? i didnt think that had the processing grunt for serious HTPC duties...
You guys seem to have missed the 3D shooting mode of this camera too... the sweep panarama can capture mpo images too, which are quite good, but like the panorama it requires a knack to get seamless images, plus you cant take a 3d photo of a moving subject.
Also, creative modes that enthusiasts would like?? seriously? I cant think of a single person, certainly no enthusiast, that (other than my dad and a few 'challenged' individuals) that have used incamera effects... all this can be done much better on a real computer and as far as I am concerend just a waste of firmware space!
Re: Oh joy, another walled garden
another walled garden??
when I had my Atari ST, i couldnt play amiga games, even though the media was the same shape.
My Master system carts wouldnt fit in my NES.
My megadrive CD games wouldnt work in my PCengineDuo
My jaguar carts wouldnt fit inside my saturns CD drive
My gameboy carts wouldnt fit in my lynx
Xbox 360 games wont play in my PS3
etc, etc, etc......
Walled gardens are nothing new....
So, if my name was Richard Branson and I made porno, Could I gain access to the richardbranson.xxx domain that is for all intents and purposes being cybersquatted??
DDG?
I totally agree with you mike, but along with all the cryptic commands I find the esults poor at best!
I too have really tried to migrate to Duck Duck Go... but it is so poor as a search engine...
TV Licence query - no results for the TV licencing site...
infact, moving house, hardly anything i typed produced viable results - google on the other hand, with the same search term produced results which took mt to the correct page... my mind is trained to ignore the sponserd links down the side of google so mountainview gets my seach traffic
Novo7
or get a novo7 from china for sub £100
32gb sd card....
and a bit torrent client... download to card, remove card... job done, bandwith consumed, no tethering... of course, generally to use that much data easilly you have tethered...awful XBMC box
Ive tried several builds of XBMC on my ATV2 and none of them are much cop, even putting up with only 720p output, they have far too little horse power and an anaemic network connection.... 100mbit wired and 150mbit wireless, any decent HD film results in visits from the bufferman every few seconds...
My ATV2 is now used to show the folks photos of the kids airplayed from my phone...
the standby feature bothers me a little, but as the unit lives out under the stairs with the rest of the AV/Networking, I can ignore the white light.
aparrently 1/4 of all the people in the country have fallen for this sort of thing... which makes my mind boggle... I know a lot of people, across all age groups, with varing degrees of IT savvy and stupididty, but I have yet to hear of anyone personally falling for this sort of crap!
dont let the police see this.....
or they will get all sorts of ideas... think of all the virtual speeders playing outrun or need for speed which could be ticketed...
christ... imagination is just make belive! games are make belive! get a grip and do some good with REAL injustice....
a good idea...
facebook has a bunch of my life from a few years ago - when I last used it, it would be nice to be able to recover that in one fell swoop and cut the thing totally dead.
It will also be interesting to see that this does to the social network market, once users arnt tied to a given provider, it opens up a world of opportuniity for all the other socal sites...
one word....
COOL!
Dell Vostro...
3550 - sandybridge i3, metal casework. backlit keyboard and usb3 goodness all for the same money
or acer revo with XBMC....
I had high hopes for the ATV2 as a bedroom streamer (only 720p didnt matter there) but reverted it back to stock as it just couldnt play most of my library :( hand it anythmg over about 10gb and it buffers more than it plays... over wifi (managed N) or wired gigabit
some people have far too much time on their hands....
I sir, salute you for ustilising said time for supplying me with an awesome satistic for wasting management time by justifying a nuclear powered space probe to my boss as my new mode of transport!!
power??
hmmm... my PS3 slows to a crawl when playing Black-ops, 4 player split screen in 3D...
when a mobile phone is capable of doing this task without breaking a sweat, heating up to melting point, or juicing its battery in seconds, then maybe ill succumb to the fact that smartphones rule the world! or else i will fire up my PSXBOX 900000 and indulge in some fully immersive VR, 3D, AG, Tactile, surround experience!
Ive been using smartpbones since the SPV C500 way back in 2005ish... so am a huge fan, and casual gaming is the current big thing, but they serve a totally different use to a console/media station...
one DIY launch pad....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lego-City-Satellite-Launch-Pad-3366-NEW-BOXED-/150707926413?pt=UK_Construction_Toys_Kits&hash=item2316e4758d
I got to that part of the review and stopped reading, I was sold!
How does it compare to the casio LED projectors? granted another £200, but it has a proper Light output with ultra slimness.
Just goes to show, if its too good to be true, it usually is!
Me?
I can hapily binge game for a while, then totally ignore the thing for a few weeks... all depends on the weather, work, social life and the next shiny thing that attracts my attention...
I want!!
With my 1st gen Momentus I get performance close to that of my old Vertex SSD but with enough room for actually storing data, Im not sure of the focus on booting all the time, I only tend to reboot if an update requires it - 15 seconds (after bios) to resume from hibernate, or 3 seconds to recover from sleep are my usual working day powercycles
I wonder if they will tweak and update the firmware for the first gen?
yawn inducing apple 'article'
Dell slashed nearly a 3rd off their Vostro laptops the other day - where was the advert for them??
not so much the meaning of the name, but the ease of transposing it to type... facebook, whatever it means, is an amalgamation of two simple, single syllable, common words with very little scope for error...
Dispora, whilst possibly a suitible title, is not a word that pops into ones head, nor is it overly memorable and to plenty of the great unwashed, a total arse to spell, I had to double check myself...
flash is great, yes we know that, but it is just a succeptable to damage as spinning media, often with worse results... i just had one of my SSD machines loose power, the end result - toasted SSD - no boot, nothing showing in the bios, totally corrupted... much the same a pulling a USB flash drive mid write...
And I am a flash fanboi - having used SSD's since the slow, low capacity drives in my UX1-NX
oh and as for apple fanaticisim, the 6 seconds it takes my bloaty Win7 Dell laptop to recover from sleep is a price im willing to pay for having 500gb of hybrid storage..........
Yes! the day to day running of my hybrid is excellent, the machine resumes from sleep in 5-6 seconds, resumes from hibernate in about 10 seconds, the OS is very responsive nad I have acres of space for storage....
I have trialed an OCZ SSD in this machine and it was faster, no question, but its a trade off between things happening faster than instant for the SSD and instantly for the way I use the hybrid... the hybrid won due to my wasteful use of storage - leaving VHD's and old zip files, gigs in the recycle bin, that sort of thing! the SSD was then just demoted to netbook duties...
ive yet to use one of the 13"models, but the 15"is only 300quid ex vat for a core i3 :) pretty much the best thing out there for the cash,certainly at the entry level they are the most featureful, sofar the alu clad Vostros have made very nice business machines, excluding user abuse, of 70 odd, only one has required a hardware call.
If only dell could make their rugged range as solidly!
I try to avoid and dislike Currys/DSG, but they have proven cheapest for several large items, my Fridge Freezer and washing machine.
Was annoyed as for some reason I could order the washing machine online (wuth a large quidco rebate) and have that delivered, but the fridge freezer - "sorry but home delivery is unavailable in your area" - I live in an average town, 15 miles from a major city! but popping into the store and ordering - home delivery was fine!
Pixmania which is also part of currys was also the cheapest place for tellys - again with money back from quidco - so thats where 2 50"plasmas arrived from - John lewis was nowhere near in price!
but i suppose it all depends on whats on special at what shop at any one time...
some of us do have only BD in thier collection... This isnt supposed to be the centre of your home cinema, but a way of watching content when out and about...
Ripping BD? well, i suppose its possible, but to be honest, I couldnt be bothered. My laptop (P9600 c2duo Dell XFR), while more than capable of playing HD rips would munch the battery - before a film is finished.
204800 iso?! holy cripes batman!! that must be high enough to see through clothes!!
I like this... and it makes a much better tool than my laptop - 5 hours life has surprised me, my lappy certainly cant pull that sort of endurance while spinning a disk!
toothbrushes...
If you own an OralB toothebrush - possibly the most popular brand, then you notice that to comply with weee guidelines, the battery is removable at the products EOL.
you stand the brush on the charger and twist, this breaks the seal and the battery can be removed from the brush for disposal.
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