If Nokia had pushed the N9 as its high end handset and the Symbian Belle 701 (esp if the new FP1 update turns out to be as good as I'm reading it is) as a mid-ranger iI reckon it would be in ruder health. I'd have either over the current two Lumias.
Dylan, Zevon, Tull, Skempton, Earle, Mann...that's a pretty solid collection in my book and you sure as shit won't hear much of any of them on Radio 2.
Flash is mentioned in the Monte Carlo review because it's an Android phone that doesn't play Flash video and the comparison is just to point out that the absence of Flash is not necessarily a reason to discount it. At least that's how I read it.
The Lumia doesn't have a "problem" with Flash, it's just not part of the OS spec. for good or ill. Ditto the iPhone.
As for SGSII not getting a look in, why should it? The Razr is thinner, lighter, tougher and the Galaxy Nexus has a bigger screen and shiny new version of Android. Yes it's a fine handset but the Android competition is now a little better.
I'd be inclined to agree with the author that an ICS update is more than likely now Google owns Motorola. It's also worth pointing out that at this moment in time nothing runs ICS, nor will it until the Prime goes on sale.
When Bill Gates' turn comes I don't doubt the B&M Gates Foundation will figure prominently in the man's legacy. In all the copy I've read about Steve Jobs and Apple under his leadership I've read not one word about any part of either's vast fortune being put to charitable use in any way. Is this because they didn't or they did/do but keep it under wraps?
When a man is worth that much money and this much coverage surely attention must and should be paid to what he did outside the narrow confines of the business he worked in?
"The fundamental issue here is Lion's assumption that you don't know what you're doing, and it's going to ensure you're protected from cock-ups"
Change the word Lion for Apple and that line sums up my issue with most things fruity in a nutshell.
I grant you Ubuntu and Windows 7 (or Android for that matter) are not as graceful as their Apple equivalents, but they generally let me do the things I want to do in the way I want to do them and as the person who has paid for the bloody thing (well, the hardware in the case of Ubuntu) that's what I look for.
Not because I think the plane will fall out of the sky, but because I've been asked to by the flight attendant and it's the polite thing to do. Nothing worse than sitting by some know-all tw*t who insists on keeping his phone on and has to be asked three times to turn the thing off.
Last time I was next an idiot like I quietly told him to turn it off or I would turn it into a suppository. Bingo, phone off.
The Toyota iQ is in a completely different size class to the Jazz. Agreed it's cheaper and more economical but it's smaller and slower, has two less doors and if you move the rear seats back so that anyone other than a dwarf or under-8 can get in the boot vanishes. Makes as much sense as a comparison as saying a Fiesta is cheaper and more frugal than a Mondeo - of course it bloody is.
As for Jazz drivers, well my experience is that if I am stuck behind some twerp driving at 35mph in a 50 zone for no good reason said twerp is usually behind the wheel of a Nissan Micra or something with a Rover badge on it.
"Google’s cloudy calendar was the main reason I adopted Android as my mobile OS of choice" which I think implies you cannot use it elsewhere but it's not worth arguing about.
The reviewer's opening comment suggests it was Google's calender that drew him to Android because, I assume, Android offered him the convenience of one-sign-in sync. That's how I read it anyway.
Can't imagine any WinPhone 7 and Palm WebOS users feeling the need to clarify that Google calender can synch to their handsets. Must just be an Apple (user) thing.
As with an iPad, a BMW 3-Series or a bottle of Calvin Klein CK1 the price is what the market will support and has sod all to do with the genuine product cost-to-market.
Right now the Kindle, both as hardware and content, is a blazing success for Amazon, and until such time as that changes prices won't drop or until Amazon thinks that that a price drop will massively increase demand and consumption and thus overall profit.
And at the end of the day, like iPads, BMW's and CK1, eBooks are not essential purchases. If the price pisses you off so much, don't buy them.
I can't foresee any mechanic on the horizon that will force a drop in new published eBook prices so I suspect we will see some degree of parity between eBook and paper edition prices for some time to come.
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PicSay
PicSay - a photo editor unique to Android. The free version supports most basic editing needs while the €3.29 (£3.00) Pro version lets you go truly berserk with more effects than you can shake a stick at including colour popping, cutout insertion, cropping and straightening. Come the day an Android phone arrives with an 8MP snapper, Xenon flash and decent optics PicSay will be even more worthwhile, as things stand it's ideal for adding a little pep to your Facebook uploads.
You guys are obsessed with cost. My wife's 5 year old Fiesta works just fine as a car but I don't drive it in preference to my new Prius.
If you want to pay £35 for a tinny grot box from Asda go ahead, if you want to pay more for something that is better made, better sounding, better looking - like Alun I rather like the look of it - and has more functions, the choice is yours.
Where not all penurious geeks with the aesthetic judgement of a blind man.
Karen's Replicator is very welcome news as is all the free guff in iTunes U. Faststone rocks, it's very powerfull for something so small and light. I have it set as the default image opener on my PC.
What is the betting it will be rather more than the current exhange rate for $500 when it arrives in the UK? For £200 I'd have one to replace my Dell Mini 10v, but at £350+. No thanks.
@Daft009 - Nope, the AOR radio app is available on the Liquid, I'm using on my mine at this very moment!
And I think the point the review was making about the HTC overlay is that while yes it looks cool, it eats into performance and slows handsets down. I've got a Hero and it runs much faster with HTC's Sense/SenseMe/TouchFlo/whatever-they-are-calling-it-today disabled.
For day to day use the Liquid is the best Android phone I've come across, and I've had occassion to use them all.
there's nothing wrong with the Hero's music player. Its very easy to use, has all the usual shuffle etc features and unlike many devices you always get your album art. And you can add widgets to the desktop to take you directly to selected playlists.
T-Mobile have the Satio for "free" on a £35pcm 18 month contract with "unlimited data". Seems a pretty fair price for a phone with what looks to be an excellent camera judging by the pics in the review.
I've got one of these in my lounge connected to my wi-fi router with an ethernet cable and to my Bravia with an HDMI cable - its a perfect set up for me. OK, you need your router near your TV, but that's a given with a device like this that doesn't have wi-fi. Actually I'm using homeplug to connect the PC in my den to the router rathern than wi-fi but what the heck.
Super - not sure what your problems is but the first thing I watched via my Hisense was a 1080p H.264 / MKV movie and playback was faultless.
I think it can be taken as read the thing won't just snap from rwd to fwd in the blink of an eye! Anyway any stability control system - which all V70's have - could iron out such drive issues.
I seem to recall reading someplace that 30% of UK households run two cars and 6% of households run 3 or more and that those second, or third, or forth cars make up around 15% of the cars on the road, or between 4 and 5 million cars. I'd say there's plenty of scope for electric cars in that market - the wife's Clio seldom covers more than 20 miles even on a busy day and if she neeeded to travel more than 100 miles she could use my Focus - I only need to cover 8 miles to and from the railway station. Electric cars won't be for everyone but I'll certainly have a look at one when the time comes to get rid of the Clio, assuming the price is not too steep.
err...no it's not, well, not exclusively, Class D amplification is also about keeping a speaker damped and so making sure it has less time to flap around resonating and doing its own thing - an upside of being under tighter control by the amplifier than is the case of Class A, B or C. As for the Aego M's, I can't share your enthusiasm - two tiny satellites and a sodding great woofer is never going to be provide ideal sound, that's why serious hi-fi speakers are not made in that form. OK for games, far from ideal for music.
little know fact the sound effect used in the films was apparently made by combining the call of an elephant with the sound of tyres on a wet pavement...
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Nice
Tried this when it was new and like the reviewer says it was dog slow. Will give it a another chance this evening.
It's tragic
If Nokia had pushed the N9 as its high end handset and the Symbian Belle 701 (esp if the new FP1 update turns out to be as good as I'm reading it is) as a mid-ranger iI reckon it would be in ruder health. I'd have either over the current two Lumias.
Re: Oh do be quiet
"That is your opinion. Mine is that it is a poor example of an old idea,"
yeah, but you've not driven it and the reviewer has so I think I'll give more credence to the Reg's view on this one.
Oh I dunno
Dylan, Zevon, Tull, Skempton, Earle, Mann...that's a pretty solid collection in my book and you sure as shit won't hear much of any of them on Radio 2.
Surely
Flash is mentioned in the Monte Carlo review because it's an Android phone that doesn't play Flash video and the comparison is just to point out that the absence of Flash is not necessarily a reason to discount it. At least that's how I read it.
The Lumia doesn't have a "problem" with Flash, it's just not part of the OS spec. for good or ill. Ditto the iPhone.
As for SGSII not getting a look in, why should it? The Razr is thinner, lighter, tougher and the Galaxy Nexus has a bigger screen and shiny new version of Android. Yes it's a fine handset but the Android competition is now a little better.
Kudos...
for admitting to the error.
Updates
I'd be inclined to agree with the author that an ICS update is more than likely now Google owns Motorola. It's also worth pointing out that at this moment in time nothing runs ICS, nor will it until the Prime goes on sale.
Excellent feature
'nuff said.
One thing missing
When Bill Gates' turn comes I don't doubt the B&M Gates Foundation will figure prominently in the man's legacy. In all the copy I've read about Steve Jobs and Apple under his leadership I've read not one word about any part of either's vast fortune being put to charitable use in any way. Is this because they didn't or they did/do but keep it under wraps?
When a man is worth that much money and this much coverage surely attention must and should be paid to what he did outside the narrow confines of the business he worked in?
Excellent article
One of the best pieces of Op Ed I've read on the Reg.
That's not a lightsabre
it's an enormous willy!
Well said that man
"The fundamental issue here is Lion's assumption that you don't know what you're doing, and it's going to ensure you're protected from cock-ups"
Change the word Lion for Apple and that line sums up my issue with most things fruity in a nutshell.
I grant you Ubuntu and Windows 7 (or Android for that matter) are not as graceful as their Apple equivalents, but they generally let me do the things I want to do in the way I want to do them and as the person who has paid for the bloody thing (well, the hardware in the case of Ubuntu) that's what I look for.
I turn my kit off when asked
Not because I think the plane will fall out of the sky, but because I've been asked to by the flight attendant and it's the polite thing to do. Nothing worse than sitting by some know-all tw*t who insists on keeping his phone on and has to be asked three times to turn the thing off.
Last time I was next an idiot like I quietly told him to turn it off or I would turn it into a suppository. Bingo, phone off.
Not sure about Chrome / Chromium
but I am tempted by the Ubuntu version
http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/agora-pro-12-ultra-portable-laptop-computer/
what complete, utter and absolute
"It's just record labels ripping everyone off all over again."
bollocks.
Ever worked for a record label? Even seen the P&Ls? No, thought not. Tit
IQ indeed...
The Toyota iQ is in a completely different size class to the Jazz. Agreed it's cheaper and more economical but it's smaller and slower, has two less doors and if you move the rear seats back so that anyone other than a dwarf or under-8 can get in the boot vanishes. Makes as much sense as a comparison as saying a Fiesta is cheaper and more frugal than a Mondeo - of course it bloody is.
As for Jazz drivers, well my experience is that if I am stuck behind some twerp driving at 35mph in a 50 zone for no good reason said twerp is usually behind the wheel of a Nissan Micra or something with a Rover badge on it.
Time to dust off
my "Cromwell didn't for far enough" t-shirt
what utter cock
"Google’s cloudy calendar was the main reason I adopted Android as my mobile OS of choice" which I think implies you cannot use it elsewhere but it's not worth arguing about.
The reviewer's opening comment suggests it was Google's calender that drew him to Android because, I assume, Android offered him the convenience of one-sign-in sync. That's how I read it anyway.
Can't imagine any WinPhone 7 and Palm WebOS users feeling the need to clarify that Google calender can synch to their handsets. Must just be an Apple (user) thing.
Brilliant
Funniest thing I seen on Reg Hardware for some time.
Product costs...
As with an iPad, a BMW 3-Series or a bottle of Calvin Klein CK1 the price is what the market will support and has sod all to do with the genuine product cost-to-market.
Right now the Kindle, both as hardware and content, is a blazing success for Amazon, and until such time as that changes prices won't drop or until Amazon thinks that that a price drop will massively increase demand and consumption and thus overall profit.
And at the end of the day, like iPads, BMW's and CK1, eBooks are not essential purchases. If the price pisses you off so much, don't buy them.
I can't foresee any mechanic on the horizon that will force a drop in new published eBook prices so I suspect we will see some degree of parity between eBook and paper edition prices for some time to come.
http://www.picsaypro.com/
PicSay
PicSay - a photo editor unique to Android. The free version supports most basic editing needs while the €3.29 (£3.00) Pro version lets you go truly berserk with more effects than you can shake a stick at including colour popping, cutout insertion, cropping and straightening. Come the day an Android phone arrives with an 8MP snapper, Xenon flash and decent optics PicSay will be even more worthwhile, as things stand it's ideal for adding a little pep to your Facebook uploads.
Cost?
You guys are obsessed with cost. My wife's 5 year old Fiesta works just fine as a car but I don't drive it in preference to my new Prius.
If you want to pay £35 for a tinny grot box from Asda go ahead, if you want to pay more for something that is better made, better sounding, better looking - like Alun I rather like the look of it - and has more functions, the choice is yours.
Where not all penurious geeks with the aesthetic judgement of a blind man.
Excellent round up
Karen's Replicator is very welcome news as is all the free guff in iTunes U. Faststone rocks, it's very powerfull for something so small and light. I have it set as the default image opener on my PC.
Exchange rate
What is the betting it will be rather more than the current exhange rate for $500 when it arrives in the UK? For £200 I'd have one to replace my Dell Mini 10v, but at £350+. No thanks.
AOR
@Daft009 - Nope, the AOR radio app is available on the Liquid, I'm using on my mine at this very moment!
And I think the point the review was making about the HTC overlay is that while yes it looks cool, it eats into performance and slows handsets down. I've got a Hero and it runs much faster with HTC's Sense/SenseMe/TouchFlo/whatever-they-are-calling-it-today disabled.
For day to day use the Liquid is the best Android phone I've come across, and I've had occassion to use them all.
Hero music player
there's nothing wrong with the Hero's music player. Its very easy to use, has all the usual shuffle etc features and unlike many devices you always get your album art. And you can add widgets to the desktop to take you directly to selected playlists.
Headphones jack
3.5mm according the the Nokia spec sheet.
Cost
T-Mobile have the Satio for "free" on a £35pcm 18 month contract with "unlimited data". Seems a pretty fair price for a phone with what looks to be an excellent camera judging by the pics in the review.
@Richard Lloyd
I've got one of these in my lounge connected to my wi-fi router with an ethernet cable and to my Bravia with an HDMI cable - its a perfect set up for me. OK, you need your router near your TV, but that's a given with a device like this that doesn't have wi-fi. Actually I'm using homeplug to connect the PC in my den to the router rathern than wi-fi but what the heck.
Super - not sure what your problems is but the first thing I watched via my Hisense was a 1080p H.264 / MKV movie and playback was faultless.
fwd/rwd
I think it can be taken as read the thing won't just snap from rwd to fwd in the blink of an eye! Anyway any stability control system - which all V70's have - could iron out such drive issues.
@AC
I seem to recall reading someplace that 30% of UK households run two cars and 6% of households run 3 or more and that those second, or third, or forth cars make up around 15% of the cars on the road, or between 4 and 5 million cars. I'd say there's plenty of scope for electric cars in that market - the wife's Clio seldom covers more than 20 miles even on a busy day and if she neeeded to travel more than 100 miles she could use my Focus - I only need to cover 8 miles to and from the railway station. Electric cars won't be for everyone but I'll certainly have a look at one when the time comes to get rid of the Clio, assuming the price is not too steep.
Lovely...
that's my next phone sorted, assuming it crops up on T-Mobile at some point.
so that is what happens
when a Dyson ball vacuum and a Tron light cycle get jiggy.
@ Rick & James re. Class D.
err...no it's not, well, not exclusively, Class D amplification is also about keeping a speaker damped and so making sure it has less time to flap around resonating and doing its own thing - an upside of being under tighter control by the amplifier than is the case of Class A, B or C. As for the Aego M's, I can't share your enthusiasm - two tiny satellites and a sodding great woofer is never going to be provide ideal sound, that's why serious hi-fi speakers are not made in that form. OK for games, far from ideal for music.
TIE Fighter
little know fact the sound effect used in the films was apparently made by combining the call of an elephant with the sound of tyres on a wet pavement...