Lol -seriously? You think that this Windows OS can't do hdmi sound where 7 can???
Bullseyed: Anyway, just tested with mine (the same Samsung series 7 slate used in the demo)and it was fine, recognised my onkyo and pushed sound over it fine. So unlikely the usb was for sound, so still stand by my initial thoughts that its probably external storage given the "small"128gb ssd
Its a Samsung series 7 slate.... the cables are top top to bottom; usb, hdmi and power.
Its a rather excellent bit of kit that can be picked up for about £950. Its looks and feels very classy and yeah not sure about the power cable, mine will do over 5 hours easy. HDMI obviously for presentation projector, usb for storage device?
"Well then you're using it in a superficial way or not paying attention. The metro gui is an incredibly clumsy replacement for the start menu."
How can I be using it in a "superficial way" or "not paying attention" to something I use for 9 hours a day since consumer preview launch? Been using it every day in the office as a laptop and as a tablet at home. I'm in IT ..... so I guess I use it how I use it and as a tablet/pc hybrid it works perfectly for me (Well the Sammy S7S anyway).
Things people don't get is MS is aiming this at a touch screen market; yes, yes, heard all the arguments - almost all of which are "touchscreens are useless as a desktop" and "tired arms" etc .... no, they are not in my 2 year plus experience of dual Iiyama 21" touchscreen setup at home and a HP TX2 for work. - Don't think "REPLACE" mouse and keyboard, think COMPLEMENT. MS are trying to take the next generation of monitors and get them to include touchscreen, well why not? My two Iiyama's were not expensive and they are 24" capacitives, prices can only come down with economies of scale.
Mind you, most (not all! for example you have obviously used Win 8) of the people slagging it off are just "jumping on the bandwagon" of what they read others post about who obviously haven't used it either.
I honestly don't think MS have got the "How to use it" message across very well and I think THIS is the downfall at the moment. After all, it is only a preview and I have no doubt these things will be enhanced according to the "Feedback" options; you are using these, right?
Thats a Samsung Series 7, the same as the one I have on my desk right now. One was a USB connection, not sure what its connecting to, maybe storage? Another the power cable and the other HDMI. Not sure why they had the power cable, mine lasts 5 to 6 hours on charge and well obviously, they needed the HDMI to plug in to the projector/lcd.
Your reading in and commenting on stuff I never said. I didn't say Metro would be more powerfull, I was contradicting the fact that a suitcase of a computer would be needed as the S7S clearly isn't a suitcase.
First off - the only port my dock has (which is the size of cigar box btw, hardly big!) that my tablet doesn't is an ethernet port. It also has full size hdmi vs mini hdmi on the tablet - an adapter is £3 on ebay.
Second - and this is something very few people have got their heads round, touch at the moment only compliments keyboard and mouse, it does NOT replace. That WILL change as MS are now telling everyone "Metro is the new standard".... so you will use a mouse less and less as MS push out Metro Office for example. (You still need a keyboard of course!)
Third - You can easily get cheap chinese tablets (with colour resistive touchscreens!) for £60 on Ebay, they are utter trash but they can do it. So if these guys can do it without quantities of scale, why can't MS/Dell/blah blah do it WITH quantities of scale. I already said MS would have to look at its licensing.
Fourth - power. On another popular AV Forum we have already proved that an I3 HTPC when setup as identical as possible will do the same job as an Atom and use LESS overall power to do it (Using watt meters at the plug). Disagree all you like, won't change my opinion or the results of our experiments. This I5 will happily run for over 6 hours, not the greatest of course but better than some Atom tablets!
Finaly, I don't actually need the dock at all, other than to use it to stand the screen up, I have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
"Also comparing desktop compnents with mobile low-power components is wrong."
I agree, in reality its not the best comparison but I was trying to make a point. My Sammy Series 7 Slate did cost nearly a grand and obviously, being an I5 will spank any Atom/ARM chip out there for shear grunt. My point was, if Samsung can do this at this price, its actually quite easy to do so, why can't WIntel Atom boxes cost £100 in slate format? MS would have to reconsider its licensing model though.
In non-tablet format you can already get them on Ebay for £100(ish) so ... with the much higher volumes tablets would shift, its perfectly do-able for a tablet to come down to this.
"If you wanted a tablet the size of a small suitcase then you could do that. If it is using an i3 then the battery and cooling fans alone would weigh more than an iPad."
I suggest you go look up a Samsung Series 7 Slate right now. Its VERY far from the size of a suitcase, runs an I5, has a VERY spanky screen and I have never heard a fan on it yet (although, i'm told there is ONE in it somewhere).
Granted, its not as light as an iPad but its perfectly comfy on my lap or craddled in my arm whilst I tap with the other hand.
Why does it have to be dumbed down? I'm running the x86 version of Windows 8 right now on my Samsung Series 7 Slate (A rather classy bit of kit) and its the full consumer preview, no dumbing down here!
@Dotslash: from my week long experience, its excellent. Metro works perfectly on the tablet format. Even the on-screen keyboard is great! (If you've used Win 7 on tablet format, you'll know that was crap)
I honestly don't understand why the targets seem to be ARM based either. If I can build an i3 box at home with 8 gig of RAM and 100gb of disk for £200, why can't these OEM's with bulk buying power do this for far cheaper? Considering they also have manufacturing capabilities.... seems perfectly reasonable to me!
See there ya go, fanboi attack ... unable to see past his nose.
No, my choice is perfect for ME, i use it at work as a laptop (well, it is!), its not perfect for everyone and nor do I claim it stands "head and shoulders" above everything else in a tablet format.... But this journalist claims the next iPad does when it clearly doesn't. It would be crap for me in the office for example as a MAIN pc.
I doubt you'll be able to read this though, the blinkers won't let you, so i'm probably talking to myself.
At what point does it not become "retina"? When its held 12", 13", 20", 500 miles?
You can't have it both ways. "Retina" is being used as a standard one way or the other.
My 120" 1080p projector can now be classed as "Retina" when its viewed from 100 feet away. Mind you, this is only a name, so I'm going to tell everyone my PJ puts out an image so clear, I'm going to call it "Hubble Vision".
The comment by the reviewer was clearly aimed at stating "this is the best, nothing else compares" when in fact as usual, its not. It has elements (screen) that could be judged to be the best but overall, its not the best for everyone (and that includes people who haven't owned one before).
Its FAR from being "head and shoulders above" all the others - and thats regardless of owning any form of tablet before. "head and sholders above" would be superiour in most if not all, and its clearly not.
Those of you reporting some websites reachable/some not....
That doesn't appear to be a VM issue and could be something further down the food chain. I had exactly the same at work (BT broadband) and the same sites wouldn't work at home, or would work but very slowly.
On the side, I was playing WoT's from 5pm to 6pm, shopping in the USA with the wife from 6 to 8 and then helping a friend out in SWTOR onwards until about 10. No issues (other than my first paragraph) I could pinpoint to VM for me.... i'm on 100meg in "sunny" Slough, maybe it was lower tiers that were hit?
please feel free to use your chosen search engine. Tablets such as my HP TX2 have been around for years, since before even the iPad was a stain in its creators notepad.
I currently run two Iiyama gloss touchscreens at home on my main pc and have a HP TX2 and I love touchscreen. I may be in a minority if most of you lot are to be believe bit I completley agree with Intels findings; its great to be able to browse by finger, use local explorer and it comes into its own with document scrolling.
The trick is not think exclusive touchscreen and think complement. They support a mouse and keybord perfectly and I never expect them to replace a keyboard but, a mouse? Yeah very much so! Windows 8 pre-beta released a few months ago worked great and if you never went techie, you never needed a mouse (the HTML5 front end was perfect for touch).
I remember the days! If only it didn't need sooo much time to play, I'd still be playing with the same character name as I use to post this. Love the game to bits, bloody real life!
Maybe its because I've come from the very dificult (and because of this, adult orientated) Eve-Online but it seems to me that the chat is full of little, immature kids that instead of helping out by answering your question feel the need to insult you or just lie. It is ruining it for me sadly from an otherwise superb game.
So, I now avoid asking anything in "General" and instead ask in "Google".
I mean ahead of its time in that it really was a first attempt to be a "proper" HTPC (although, honestly can't remember if it had a TV tuner) in the same way progs like XBMC later went on to be on the Xbox (and now PC).
So, "ahead of its time" in concept imo rather than techinically.
I'm going to assume that thats a typo rather than you blowing all your own argument into the water.
*IF* they were so "overpriced" how comes the Amiga wiped the floor with the ST then? IIRC the ST was at one point £100 cheaper (and I still bought an A500 and then a 1200).
Ummm... why won't office be on it? Its on my wifes WP7 (in a cut down but very useable format) and i've also got office capable apps on my Galaxy S2.
So, why do you think it won't be on Windows 8 tablets?
p.s. and I do use it on my phone, very handy actually when I'm not at my pc and I need to check asset registry's etc (Excel mainly) or reading attachments emailed to me (word docs).
"cheaper alternatives to manned airborne early warning aircraft include unmanned tethered balloons, as used by the US Customs Service (USCS) on the Mexican border to detect drug smugglers. "
(don't tell me a pilot can't navigate around the balloon)
And then we also have what looks to be the "relativley" cheap space radar:
er ... a lot of us actually. Its a good way to try to ensure that you maintain a family feeling - round the table, TV off (music on?) and damn good chat about "hows your day been then?"
So therefore we don't? Its called progress. Deal with it. If all the people in the world has the same attitude as you, we would all running around naked, digging for roots and dragging our knuckles.
If you want full support/warranty etc then don't mess with your product. No diferent to those little holographic stickers on your DVD player. So whats the problem?
I personaly think its a great idea of MS. Well done.
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Re: But why?
Already been done with the X360 kinnect. Search it and you should find the 7MC/Kinnect video. Worked REALLY well.
Re: What was that fat cable for?
OH and I don't need my dock either to do audio carrying hdmi
Re: What was that fat cable for?
Lol -seriously? You think that this Windows OS can't do hdmi sound where 7 can???
Bullseyed: Anyway, just tested with mine (the same Samsung series 7 slate used in the demo)and it was fine, recognised my onkyo and pushed sound over it fine. So unlikely the usb was for sound, so still stand by my initial thoughts that its probably external storage given the "small"128gb ssd
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Re: Have both tablets
Funny that, works perfectly on my Samsung series 7 slate...… maybe you should ask Acer about your issues.
Re: Try it - it's not that bad
Neither do i, in fact I really like it. I suspect many people just dot "get it" yet and are just jumping on the hate train having never even used it.
Re: The wired-tablet experience?
I own one of these tablets, posted the cables further up.
Re: What was that fat cable for?
Its a Samsung series 7 slate.... the cables are top top to bottom; usb, hdmi and power.
Its a rather excellent bit of kit that can be picked up for about £950. Its looks and feels very classy and yeah not sure about the power cable, mine will do over 5 hours easy. HDMI obviously for presentation projector, usb for storage device?
Re: I think it will slip
"Well then you're using it in a superficial way or not paying attention. The metro gui is an incredibly clumsy replacement for the start menu."
How can I be using it in a "superficial way" or "not paying attention" to something I use for 9 hours a day since consumer preview launch? Been using it every day in the office as a laptop and as a tablet at home. I'm in IT ..... so I guess I use it how I use it and as a tablet/pc hybrid it works perfectly for me (Well the Sammy S7S anyway).
Things people don't get is MS is aiming this at a touch screen market; yes, yes, heard all the arguments - almost all of which are "touchscreens are useless as a desktop" and "tired arms" etc .... no, they are not in my 2 year plus experience of dual Iiyama 21" touchscreen setup at home and a HP TX2 for work. - Don't think "REPLACE" mouse and keyboard, think COMPLEMENT. MS are trying to take the next generation of monitors and get them to include touchscreen, well why not? My two Iiyama's were not expensive and they are 24" capacitives, prices can only come down with economies of scale.
Mind you, most (not all! for example you have obviously used Win 8) of the people slagging it off are just "jumping on the bandwagon" of what they read others post about who obviously haven't used it either.
I honestly don't think MS have got the "How to use it" message across very well and I think THIS is the downfall at the moment. After all, it is only a preview and I have no doubt these things will be enhanced according to the "Feedback" options; you are using these, right?
So what are all those 3tb ones then?
I'm assuming they mean 2.5"? 'cause there are plenty of 3.5" ones around and they are very portable.... I know, I have one!
Re: Well...
"Can't imagine it's connecting to 'data' "
Why not? Mines got a 32gb USB fob in it right now.
Re: I think it will slip
"The consumer preview was pretty awful from a desktop experience point of view. "
Really? Working pretty damn well here as a desktop and a tablet.
Re: Well...
None of which were compulsory.
Thats a Samsung Series 7, the same as the one I have on my desk right now. One was a USB connection, not sure what its connecting to, maybe storage? Another the power cable and the other HDMI. Not sure why they had the power cable, mine lasts 5 to 6 hours on charge and well obviously, they needed the HDMI to plug in to the projector/lcd.
Re: @PXG
Your reading in and commenting on stuff I never said. I didn't say Metro would be more powerfull, I was contradicting the fact that a suitcase of a computer would be needed as the S7S clearly isn't a suitcase.
First off - the only port my dock has (which is the size of cigar box btw, hardly big!) that my tablet doesn't is an ethernet port. It also has full size hdmi vs mini hdmi on the tablet - an adapter is £3 on ebay.
Second - and this is something very few people have got their heads round, touch at the moment only compliments keyboard and mouse, it does NOT replace. That WILL change as MS are now telling everyone "Metro is the new standard".... so you will use a mouse less and less as MS push out Metro Office for example. (You still need a keyboard of course!)
Third - You can easily get cheap chinese tablets (with colour resistive touchscreens!) for £60 on Ebay, they are utter trash but they can do it. So if these guys can do it without quantities of scale, why can't MS/Dell/blah blah do it WITH quantities of scale. I already said MS would have to look at its licensing.
Fourth - power. On another popular AV Forum we have already proved that an I3 HTPC when setup as identical as possible will do the same job as an Atom and use LESS overall power to do it (Using watt meters at the plug). Disagree all you like, won't change my opinion or the results of our experiments. This I5 will happily run for over 6 hours, not the greatest of course but better than some Atom tablets!
Finaly, I don't actually need the dock at all, other than to use it to stand the screen up, I have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
Re: @PXG
"Also comparing desktop compnents with mobile low-power components is wrong."
I agree, in reality its not the best comparison but I was trying to make a point. My Sammy Series 7 Slate did cost nearly a grand and obviously, being an I5 will spank any Atom/ARM chip out there for shear grunt. My point was, if Samsung can do this at this price, its actually quite easy to do so, why can't WIntel Atom boxes cost £100 in slate format? MS would have to reconsider its licensing model though.
In non-tablet format you can already get them on Ebay for £100(ish) so ... with the much higher volumes tablets would shift, its perfectly do-able for a tablet to come down to this.
Richard Plinston
"If you wanted a tablet the size of a small suitcase then you could do that. If it is using an i3 then the battery and cooling fans alone would weigh more than an iPad."
I suggest you go look up a Samsung Series 7 Slate right now. Its VERY far from the size of a suitcase, runs an I5, has a VERY spanky screen and I have never heard a fan on it yet (although, i'm told there is ONE in it somewhere).
Granted, its not as light as an iPad but its perfectly comfy on my lap or craddled in my arm whilst I tap with the other hand.
@PXG
Why does it have to be dumbed down? I'm running the x86 version of Windows 8 right now on my Samsung Series 7 Slate (A rather classy bit of kit) and its the full consumer preview, no dumbing down here!
@Dotslash: from my week long experience, its excellent. Metro works perfectly on the tablet format. Even the on-screen keyboard is great! (If you've used Win 7 on tablet format, you'll know that was crap)
I honestly don't understand why the targets seem to be ARM based either. If I can build an i3 box at home with 8 gig of RAM and 100gb of disk for £200, why can't these OEM's with bulk buying power do this for far cheaper? Considering they also have manufacturing capabilities.... seems perfectly reasonable to me!
Re: Seriously?
See there ya go, fanboi attack ... unable to see past his nose.
No, my choice is perfect for ME, i use it at work as a laptop (well, it is!), its not perfect for everyone and nor do I claim it stands "head and shoulders" above everything else in a tablet format.... But this journalist claims the next iPad does when it clearly doesn't. It would be crap for me in the office for example as a MAIN pc.
I doubt you'll be able to read this though, the blinkers won't let you, so i'm probably talking to myself.
@Gordon 10: Re: Love the comment-bombing
Yes, thats ALL that matters, the resolution. Nothing else. End of.
Re: Retina display??
At what point does it not become "retina"? When its held 12", 13", 20", 500 miles?
You can't have it both ways. "Retina" is being used as a standard one way or the other.
My 120" 1080p projector can now be classed as "Retina" when its viewed from 100 feet away. Mind you, this is only a name, so I'm going to tell everyone my PJ puts out an image so clear, I'm going to call it "Hubble Vision".
Re: Seriously?
Then your looking in the wrong direction.
The comment by the reviewer was clearly aimed at stating "this is the best, nothing else compares" when in fact as usual, its not. It has elements (screen) that could be judged to be the best but overall, its not the best for everyone (and that includes people who haven't owned one before).
Its FAR from being "head and shoulders above" all the others - and thats regardless of owning any form of tablet before. "head and sholders above" would be superiour in most if not all, and its clearly not.
Seriously?
"If you haven’t had a tablet computer before, this looks like it is head and shoulders above the competition"
Yeah, ok. Think that just about proves that your biased.
Don't think i'll be trading in my Series 7 Slate to get one ;)
Those of you reporting some websites reachable/some not....
That doesn't appear to be a VM issue and could be something further down the food chain. I had exactly the same at work (BT broadband) and the same sites wouldn't work at home, or would work but very slowly.
On the side, I was playing WoT's from 5pm to 6pm, shopping in the USA with the wife from 6 to 8 and then helping a friend out in SWTOR onwards until about 10. No issues (other than my first paragraph) I could pinpoint to VM for me.... i'm on 100meg in "sunny" Slough, maybe it was lower tiers that were hit?
Funny aint it....
A few years ago, even a few months ago, these comment pages would have been full of fanboys (both Sammy and Apple) shouting at each other.....
yet today, whats the general theme?
Every post up to the point i've posted this "STOP IT, just STOP IT Apple" (polite version)
Its good to see all the fanboys clubbing together on some agreed ground, finaly ;)
Dear Mr Andrew,
please feel free to use your chosen search engine. Tablets such as my HP TX2 have been around for years, since before even the iPad was a stain in its creators notepad.
Thank you.
Sounds odd....
I can happily max out my 100meg link without issue from Newsgroup servers on foreign shores.
I love touchscreen
I currently run two Iiyama gloss touchscreens at home on my main pc and have a HP TX2 and I love touchscreen. I may be in a minority if most of you lot are to be believe bit I completley agree with Intels findings; its great to be able to browse by finger, use local explorer and it comes into its own with document scrolling.
The trick is not think exclusive touchscreen and think complement. They support a mouse and keybord perfectly and I never expect them to replace a keyboard but, a mouse? Yeah very much so! Windows 8 pre-beta released a few months ago worked great and if you never went techie, you never needed a mouse (the HTML5 front end was perfect for touch).
I wonder....
I remember the days! If only it didn't need sooo much time to play, I'd still be playing with the same character name as I use to post this. Love the game to bits, bloody real life!
if WoW has as many immature muppets playing it?
Lots of immature kids?
Maybe its because I've come from the very dificult (and because of this, adult orientated) Eve-Online but it seems to me that the chat is full of little, immature kids that instead of helping out by answering your question feel the need to insult you or just lie. It is ruining it for me sadly from an otherwise superb game.
So, I now avoid asking anything in "General" and instead ask in "Google".
Sorry Michael Strorm
You misunderstand me as I wasn't very clear :)
I mean ahead of its time in that it really was a first attempt to be a "proper" HTPC (although, honestly can't remember if it had a TV tuner) in the same way progs like XBMC later went on to be on the Xbox (and now PC).
So, "ahead of its time" in concept imo rather than techinically.
Dear AC - 3;
The article goes on to the C64 legacy (Amiga's) of with the CDTV is.
Why no mention of the CDTV?
Possibly one of the most "ahead of its time" bits of kit ever produced.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_CDTV
Amiga 400?
I'm going to assume that thats a typo rather than you blowing all your own argument into the water.
*IF* they were so "overpriced" how comes the Amiga wiped the floor with the ST then? IIRC the ST was at one point £100 cheaper (and I still bought an A500 and then a 1200).
yeap your right! Instead they will just mug you for your phone ....... oh wait.....
Ummm... why won't office be on it? Its on my wifes WP7 (in a cut down but very useable format) and i've also got office capable apps on my Galaxy S2.
So, why do you think it won't be on Windows 8 tablets?
p.s. and I do use it on my phone, very handy actually when I'm not at my pc and I need to check asset registry's etc (Excel mainly) or reading attachments emailed to me (word docs).
Balloons! Balloons to you all!
Your all talking balloons! Thats the way to do a carrier based UAV radar platform.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usa-spotlights-uav-and-radar-as-it-aims-to-strengthen-air-defences-160857/
"cheaper alternatives to manned airborne early warning aircraft include unmanned tethered balloons, as used by the US Customs Service (USCS) on the Mexican border to detect drug smugglers. "
(don't tell me a pilot can't navigate around the balloon)
And then we also have what looks to be the "relativley" cheap space radar:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15899186
Bung a few of those in space and you have 24/7 planet wide radar!
So, why bother with an E2C Hawkeye?
@Fiddley
Thanks mate, this morning was really boring .... you just had me in tears (of laughter). .... Storybook... hehehe
Reminds me of Simpsons, or was it Futurrama? ... "Like one of those ghost stories, like the bible"
er ... a lot of us actually. Its a good way to try to ensure that you maintain a family feeling - round the table, TV off (music on?) and damn good chat about "hows your day been then?"
I've done Bikesafe and IAM and whilst neither "officialy" support loud pipes, both my instructors very much did.
Back to the old question then..... how do they/do they even generate a fake noise?
Impressed by the price!
An electric vehicle for NOT silly money? $7-14000 USD? I'm actually finaly impressed......
Not that i'd buy one, i'll stick to my 'blade thanks!
And it never existed, at least "properly" until your favourite brand did it.
"I don't need it ....."
So therefore we don't? Its called progress. Deal with it. If all the people in the world has the same attitude as you, we would all running around naked, digging for roots and dragging our knuckles.
Thats how IIRC it as well Arctic.
Sounds to me like a little sensationalism going on here...
........ and? (Old Hanlde)
.... is that a bad thing?
If you want full support/warranty etc then don't mess with your product. No diferent to those little holographic stickers on your DVD player. So whats the problem?
I personaly think its a great idea of MS. Well done.
coooool! So slingshot?
but will it come back in a short while with Scottsman that talks to mice and a pointy eared fellow with crap 80's dress....er I mean robe.... on?
@Manu T/Dave
Awww.... having a bad day are we??? Go to the pub, grab a pint and chill out.
I think we all know what Dave means, no need to blow a pedant fuse over it.
or a car window.....
By the sounds of it....
The curfew won't make any diference!
I think we can all agree....
How can they predict sales of tablets that aren't even released yet! Oh and then of course, as Michael H.F. Wilkinson, says, just assume its linear.
That DisplaySearch have just shown themselves up to be a bunch of fools. If they get it right, its by fluke and nothing more.
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