Could be under-age kids that are involved in gangs and required/pressurised into performing sexual acts, there's a number of horrible scenarios out there as to why this sort of information is on file. It's probably best to stick to questioning why the Council is so shit at data security and who should take the blame within that Local Authority.
Although that might not work if the user uses the 2 step Google authentication process. My Android phone had to be set up with an application specific password so that it could access my Google account, which could only be generated in my Google account, which requires the authenticator to access.
Although I don't know enough about how Google 2 step process works so there might be some flaws that could be used.
Oddly enough when I was younger a bloke in car spotted me coming out of a shop and called me over to offer me a watch for £20. I bartered him down to £15 (even though I had £30 in my wallet).
This was about 15yrs ago, I still have the watch and with the odd bit of maintenance by a jewellers over the years is still going strong, it is a very unique design and have never seen one since.
On reflection is was a very stupid move but I was lucky enough to come out on top with that deal, something that would never happen nowadays though.
I know what your saying, but no matter how many users a particular company has unless Facebook get good conversion rates on those Ads they won't be pulling in as much revenue as Google who could have better conversion rates on the Ads they run.
If you want to pay for internet advertising you go with the company that's going to get you the click throughs.
"The cynic in me wonders if someone's been told that BYOD is happening and decided to rationalise it after the fact..."
I laughed when I read that bit, bollocks to being a cynic, you've just described how public sector organisations work (no joke, it's fairly standard practise to rationalise after the project has fck'd up, sorry I meant to say rolled out/gone live).
... but then this phone clearly isn't being built for a heavy user, this sort of phone would be fine for someone like my missus who doesn't care whether it has SD Card slot or not (she gets a new phone and immediately hands it to me to sort out and put all of her stuff on).
Re: I'm not sure Microsoft's hands were trying to pull them back from the brink
It did cross my mind that this could play into Microsoft's hands quite well, rescue Nokia with some cash and you have a tight relationship with a hardware manufacturer and could maybe influence the model designs a bit more. Things get tough and you need to scale back you can cut your manufacturing partner loose.
Of course MS would never do anything like that....
I used to work for a factory bakery and had to be at work for 6am, I used to cycle but my mate had a 125 motorbike, as it was quiet I used to hold on his arm and get propelled to work a lot quicker, although being a lot older now and have a greater sense of danger, I realise I wrong that could have all gone. My pothole avoidance skills are still finely tuned ;-)
(Obviously being young and stupid at the time it was a laugh)
You can also use the 2-step app, which I have, I received a code for initial setup and after that I now use the app passcode generator when it asks me for a code.
They will use my phone number as a last resort for authentication if the app dies, or I forget every password that I'm currently using.
"There IS such a thing as bad publicity outside the media world you know."
Your right there is indeed bad publicity, but when your target audience is an age group that probably don't know what a patent dispute is but Mum and Dad have been talking about it because it's in the news, that is what you call Brand Awareness, especially as it could lead to a sale, or get the kid talking about the product line the next day with their mates. Besides that's just your interpretation of it, not everyone thinks like you (thank fck).
There are sliding scales of publicity that may seem bad but in fact still do you some favours. Apple's been getting a hammering in the courts and Apple has been hammering Samsung, yet I don't think either have suffered any negative brand awareness in fact for both of them it's been a positive effect in some cases, either way I don't see their share price going south or their products gathering dust on shop shelves.
Let's face it, this seems rarely about patent/copyright now and more about marketing nowadays.
Hasbro now has there name in the news and it's pointing to one of it's main product lines, if they settle out of court I bet the figure will be close or cheaper than a marketing campaign to achieve the same brand awareness goal.
Their fail is for not putting two sets of stickers at different levels on the door, the 'knee-high' stickers are eye level for those that are vertically challenged.
I think past 2020, you'll have a real need to be flexible in the early days of your career leading to a specialisation later on in life. The toughest choice will be to decide which tools you like using the most (i.e. computers, ovens, mechanics tools, farmers tools etc) and go from there.
Your 45% figure is in relation to the Smartphone market where Android is indeed saturating the market over the iOS phones. The Tablet market is entirely different at the moment, until the manufacturers produce android tablets at varying price points (like the smartphone market) I can't see Apple budging from the top spot in the tablet market for awhile yet.
My kid loves soft play, I might take him along, I take it the sign-in sheet for parents is at reception. Could you point me in the direction of OFSTED report for this place?
In my day, we used to have to build our office out of dung first before we could start work, then eat it at the end of the day and then pick up a piece of coal and a worm for the kids to eat on the way home.
If I wasn't working I'd be there with the BBC B that's in the loft, armed with a soldering iron as we think it has a broken joint somewhere on the board that's stopping it from firing up (got a huge box full of games and software for it still as well).
You missed out mentioning the Cyber-Gravy-Train, which is a big beast, fully laden as it has taken over from other Gravy Trains that have been cancelled by the new Government.
It's anyone's guess why the Government privatised the rail network when they seem to have an uncanny knack for running trains.
I don't think you read the original post correctly. I read it as not liking the fact that the surveys main premise for consumers not buying more Android pads was because of the App market maturity. But thinks the main reason Apple sell more iPads (note the poster doesn't actually believe Apple haven't got the market share), because Apple have rather shrewdly been able to define the language and expectation for the tablet market before Android could even get in the starting blocks.
(Don't worry I don't think anyone spotted that in your haste to have a go at someone else you ended up looking too much like a fanbois yourself.)
... Apple have insider knowledge from a Senator that the Patents system will come under scrutiny and knowing that something could go wrong they have decided to take themselves out of the firing line.
(don't put money on it, I'm just throwing an idea out there).
After reading this article I think my son will be a little too young to watch Ice Age 4 then, far too much death of his favourite characters for to talk my way out of.
Your right there is no legal age limit for PAYG phones as no contract is involved, but you'd be hard pushed to find a shop that will sell a PAYG handset to someone who looks too young without a parent with them, mainly because the handset in question wouldn't have been set-up with age restrictions in place by default and the shop/brand would probably be liable if something bad happened.
"... the onus should be on the developer and advertiser..." missed a bit, let me help you...
"... the onus should be on the parents to ensure all measures are taken to protect children from this content and supervise them when necessary."
There are apps out there to make your device child friendly and stop them from accessing content you don't want them too. It might be a bit hard to convince the advertisers and developers about responsibility as they will assume most 7 year old don't have the money to buy these devices and in the case of a mobile phone aren't legally old enough to buy.
... seems to be the latest craze now for companies to punt this sort of product out. I'll stick to my power monkey thanks, has more connectors for devices than I actually have. Plus it's smaller, you could almost mistake it for a small vibrator (although I do not recommend using it in such away).
Of course they would, although it would be easier on the authorities if the terrorist wasn't an american so that they couldn't plead the 5th, although I doubt that would stop the Homeland Terror Police from extracting it in Gitmo.
... and it's the sort of gadget I love, but I have absolutely no use for this in a phone personally, very rarely would I use my phone to play a movie or similar if I'm away from home.
Stick it in an Android tablet... now your talking, let me know when I can buy a tablet with this built in (and without the garish colours) and you can take my pre-order money now.
@Steve the Cynic, I just got back from a good laugh outside, think a bit of wee came out...
... it's alright, just checked no wee. No the surprise here is that you think the high court has the power to ignore the Gov't, which clearly it hasn't as you've just stated, they'll be into anything involving foreign business dealings (or more importantly, contributing to China's GDP). So either way the Chinese Gov't isn't getting involved like the post I was replying too was suggesting.
Just lazyness, only because I have been putting off the re-cabling job for the sat and ariel feeds across the whole house.
Just to be pedantic, £40 is a bit steep when you have already read that I have a Sky subscription You should have told me to spend £20 on the Freesky card to go in my existing boxes ;-)
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Re: Why no Android phones?
I don't use the SMS based version, I have the Authenticator App installed on my phone, which is also password protected.
I agree with you about 'over-the-shoulder' theft and hence always try to avoid SMS based authentication.
Could be under-age kids that are involved in gangs and required/pressurised into performing sexual acts, there's a number of horrible scenarios out there as to why this sort of information is on file. It's probably best to stick to questioning why the Council is so shit at data security and who should take the blame within that Local Authority.
Waiting...
... for that next dot com bubble to burst. These ridiculous valuations are just unsustainable.
Re: Why no Android phones?
Although that might not work if the user uses the 2 step Google authentication process. My Android phone had to be set up with an application specific password so that it could access my Google account, which could only be generated in my Google account, which requires the authenticator to access.
Although I don't know enough about how Google 2 step process works so there might be some flaws that could be used.
Anecdotal story about a dodgy buy on the street
[mindless ramble]
Oddly enough when I was younger a bloke in car spotted me coming out of a shop and called me over to offer me a watch for £20. I bartered him down to £15 (even though I had £30 in my wallet).
This was about 15yrs ago, I still have the watch and with the odd bit of maintenance by a jewellers over the years is still going strong, it is a very unique design and have never seen one since.
On reflection is was a very stupid move but I was lucky enough to come out on top with that deal, something that would never happen nowadays though.
[/mindless ramble]
Re: Not entirely a joke, I think.
I know what your saying, but no matter how many users a particular company has unless Facebook get good conversion rates on those Ads they won't be pulling in as much revenue as Google who could have better conversion rates on the Ads they run.
If you want to pay for internet advertising you go with the company that's going to get you the click throughs.
Re: Strange turn of phrase
"The cynic in me wonders if someone's been told that BYOD is happening and decided to rationalise it after the fact..."
I laughed when I read that bit, bollocks to being a cynic, you've just described how public sector organisations work (no joke, it's fairly standard practise to rationalise after the project has fck'd up, sorry I meant to say rolled out/gone live).
Re: what I predict ...
I'd better get my ticket for a trip on the Axiom then ;-)
Not for me...
... but then this phone clearly isn't being built for a heavy user, this sort of phone would be fine for someone like my missus who doesn't care whether it has SD Card slot or not (she gets a new phone and immediately hands it to me to sort out and put all of her stuff on).
Re: Well..
Who cares, it's in Bootnotes you numpty, does anyone pay attention to the articles they are reading.
Re: Only time will tell
Your right Google are still propping up YouTube as it is running at a loss year on year.
They can't even get a decent ad revenue out of it compared to the amount of people using it.
@ThomH
Completely agree, but that's never stopped MS before, business sense isn't there strongest skill ;-)
Re: I'm not sure Microsoft's hands were trying to pull them back from the brink
It did cross my mind that this could play into Microsoft's hands quite well, rescue Nokia with some cash and you have a tight relationship with a hardware manufacturer and could maybe influence the model designs a bit more. Things get tough and you need to scale back you can cut your manufacturing partner loose.
Of course MS would never do anything like that....
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Re: Wuh?
Leave it, I'm already sobbing at the fact that I would have killed for this sort of thing when I was a kid.
The BBC Micro in the loft with the 'Replay' chip modded onto it doesn't quite count as the same.
Perhaps that might stick a rocket up Amazons arse to get the Fire released in Europe before Google swipe their prospective customers.
Re: @mikeyboosh
Sounds like my HP laptop, albeit without that res, although it was far short of a grand.
Nice work if you can get...
... you shut one government slush fund down with public awareness and another springs up with a different trending title.
Someone please tell me when we have a government with at least 1 individual that thinks rationally and I can come out of hiding and stop weeping.
FAIL all round
I just don't get it, the app looks completely pointless, so FAIL for iPhone and Android users alike.
RE: In my youth
I used to work for a factory bakery and had to be at work for 6am, I used to cycle but my mate had a 125 motorbike, as it was quiet I used to hold on his arm and get propelled to work a lot quicker, although being a lot older now and have a greater sense of danger, I realise I wrong that could have all gone. My pothole avoidance skills are still finely tuned ;-)
(Obviously being young and stupid at the time it was a laugh)
Re: A grab for your telephone number?
You can also use the 2-step app, which I have, I received a code for initial setup and after that I now use the app passcode generator when it asks me for a code.
They will use my phone number as a last resort for authentication if the app dies, or I forget every password that I'm currently using.
How long...
... before some stats company adds all these burnt paper iPads to the Apple activation figures.
Well at least the rounded corners should help reduce the cause of paper cuts.
Re: Voodoo its all voodoo
In ancient days, the Chinese were the leaders in Necromancy in it's heyday, not quite Voodoo I know.
Re: Marketing
"There IS such a thing as bad publicity outside the media world you know."
Your right there is indeed bad publicity, but when your target audience is an age group that probably don't know what a patent dispute is but Mum and Dad have been talking about it because it's in the news, that is what you call Brand Awareness, especially as it could lead to a sale, or get the kid talking about the product line the next day with their mates. Besides that's just your interpretation of it, not everyone thinks like you (thank fck).
There are sliding scales of publicity that may seem bad but in fact still do you some favours. Apple's been getting a hammering in the courts and Apple has been hammering Samsung, yet I don't think either have suffered any negative brand awareness in fact for both of them it's been a positive effect in some cases, either way I don't see their share price going south or their products gathering dust on shop shelves.
Marketing
Let's face it, this seems rarely about patent/copyright now and more about marketing nowadays.
Hasbro now has there name in the news and it's pointing to one of it's main product lines, if they settle out of court I bet the figure will be close or cheaper than a marketing campaign to achieve the same brand awareness goal.
Re: As a claustrophobe....
I agree, although I don't think I could even get to the scream. I dose up on chill pills just to get on a plane.
Re: @JC
Their fail is for not putting two sets of stickers at different levels on the door, the 'knee-high' stickers are eye level for those that are vertically challenged.
Jack of all, master of none
I think past 2020, you'll have a real need to be flexible in the early days of your career leading to a specialisation later on in life. The toughest choice will be to decide which tools you like using the most (i.e. computers, ovens, mechanics tools, farmers tools etc) and go from there.
Re: ...and it will be TRIANGULAR!
Do their kites have rounded edges?
Re: Let's start a petition...
Shouldn't it be with his knob out cause he loves screwing us on a regular basis.
@Chet Re: ouch
Your 45% figure is in relation to the Smartphone market where Android is indeed saturating the market over the iOS phones. The Tablet market is entirely different at the moment, until the manufacturers produce android tablets at varying price points (like the smartphone market) I can't see Apple budging from the top spot in the tablet market for awhile yet.
Softplay
My kid loves soft play, I might take him along, I take it the sign-in sheet for parents is at reception. Could you point me in the direction of OFSTED report for this place?
Re: WOW!
<yorkshire_accent>
In my day, we used to have to build our office out of dung first before we could start work, then eat it at the end of the day and then pick up a piece of coal and a worm for the kids to eat on the way home.
</yorkshire_accent>
Repairs needed
If I wasn't working I'd be there with the BBC B that's in the loft, armed with a soldering iron as we think it has a broken joint somewhere on the board that's stopping it from firing up (got a huge box full of games and software for it still as well).
Re: Hmm
Multiple players I think
Re: Colour
Any Android or iOS pad will do, I read my comics on a Transformer (not the robot seeing as we're talking comics).
Re: So...
You missed out mentioning the Cyber-Gravy-Train, which is a big beast, fully laden as it has taken over from other Gravy Trains that have been cancelled by the new Government.
It's anyone's guess why the Government privatised the rail network when they seem to have an uncanny knack for running trains.
@ AC Re: Peole don't say tablet - they say iPad
I don't think you read the original post correctly. I read it as not liking the fact that the surveys main premise for consumers not buying more Android pads was because of the App market maturity. But thinks the main reason Apple sell more iPads (note the poster doesn't actually believe Apple haven't got the market share), because Apple have rather shrewdly been able to define the language and expectation for the tablet market before Android could even get in the starting blocks.
(Don't worry I don't think anyone spotted that in your haste to have a go at someone else you ended up looking too much like a fanbois yourself.)
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Prehaps...
... Apple have insider knowledge from a Senator that the Patents system will come under scrutiny and knowing that something could go wrong they have decided to take themselves out of the firing line.
(don't put money on it, I'm just throwing an idea out there).
Too young
After reading this article I think my son will be a little too young to watch Ice Age 4 then, far too much death of his favourite characters for to talk my way out of.
Re: "legally old enough to buy."
Completely get your point and agree to an extent, but you'll have to forgive my usual soapbox rant about "parent responsibilty/liability".
Re: "legally old enough to buy."
Your right there is no legal age limit for PAYG phones as no contract is involved, but you'd be hard pushed to find a shop that will sell a PAYG handset to someone who looks too young without a parent with them, mainly because the handset in question wouldn't have been set-up with age restrictions in place by default and the shop/brand would probably be liable if something bad happened.
Sorry should have worded my original post better.
Re: Not surprised but
"... the onus should be on the developer and advertiser..." missed a bit, let me help you...
"... the onus should be on the parents to ensure all measures are taken to protect children from this content and supervise them when necessary."
There are apps out there to make your device child friendly and stop them from accessing content you don't want them too. It might be a bit hard to convince the advertisers and developers about responsibility as they will assume most 7 year old don't have the money to buy these devices and in the case of a mobile phone aren't legally old enough to buy.
Re: Power...
I'll post the x-rays later.
Power...
... seems to be the latest craze now for companies to punt this sort of product out. I'll stick to my power monkey thanks, has more connectors for devices than I actually have. Plus it's smaller, you could almost mistake it for a small vibrator (although I do not recommend using it in such away).
Re: i wonder....
Of course they would, although it would be easier on the authorities if the terrorist wasn't an american so that they couldn't plead the 5th, although I doubt that would stop the Homeland Terror Police from extracting it in Gitmo.
Sounds great...
... and it's the sort of gadget I love, but I have absolutely no use for this in a phone personally, very rarely would I use my phone to play a movie or similar if I'm away from home.
Stick it in an Android tablet... now your talking, let me know when I can buy a tablet with this built in (and without the garish colours) and you can take my pre-order money now.
Re: Re: Re: Even as an non apple lover
@Steve the Cynic, I just got back from a good laugh outside, think a bit of wee came out...
... it's alright, just checked no wee. No the surprise here is that you think the high court has the power to ignore the Gov't, which clearly it hasn't as you've just stated, they'll be into anything involving foreign business dealings (or more importantly, contributing to China's GDP). So either way the Chinese Gov't isn't getting involved like the post I was replying too was suggesting.
So no I seriously don't.
Re: Re: Suddenly...
Just lazyness, only because I have been putting off the re-cabling job for the sat and ariel feeds across the whole house.
Just to be pedantic, £40 is a bit steep when you have already read that I have a Sky subscription You should have told me to spend £20 on the Freesky card to go in my existing boxes ;-)
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