"Internet access itself is hardly a necessity for life"
Neither are roads, electricity, or a telephone. It all depends where you draw the line. Private enterprise has historically and will continue to be a complete failure at capital-intensive infrastructural projects unless operating as a monopoly - 30000 rural "broadband" cowboy outfits all using different-sized jack plugs is a surefire way to rollout a service second to all.
"Alternatively, you can pay for a leased line from your own pocket. Country dwellers aren't about to subsidise my more expensive and meagre city accomodation - why should I subsidise their Internet access?"
Because living in a city in a civilized country is a lifestyle choice? Feel free to fuck off elsewhere.
"Lou Gosselin is right to put the blame on "feature-bloated monolithic kernels"
Actually he isn't right at all. World + dog knows that Linux hasn't been a true monolithic kernel since before I learned to mix metaphors. It is only monolithic in the sense that drivers run in kernel space - in combination with udev, etc., drivers are never loaded into the kernel unless required by hardware, so unless you can find a way to do away with device drivers for an ever-expanding plethora of hardware, protocols and legacy systems, you're essentially up shit creek.
The so-called "micro"-kernel concept is a documented failure (xnu, L3, mach, excepting QNX maybe) in terms of both code-bloat, performance and maintainability when compared to kernels that contain other critical subsystems than IPC, Memory management and scheduling in the core code. Sure it's a great and elegant idea conceptually, but an abject failure at doing anything else except being a conversation topic among the University chattering classes.
Now the argument of exactly what should go in a kernel can be argued over till we're blue in the face, and sure Linux could maybe do with a prune here and there, but devices are supported by code, not Scotch Mist.
"Maybe Linus will finally overlook his pride and give up his stubborn decade long argument for feature-bloated monolithic kernels."
Running drivers in user-space would help code-bloat and performance how, exactly? The drivers aren't going to get any smaller - probably the reverse given the relaxed requirements - and running drivers in user-space is probably the best way to kill kernel performance known to man. Case in point - xnu has to be hybrid to avoid being unusable, and it runs like a mangy dog nonetheless.
Circumstantial? Certain associates at the law firm representing the Industry in TPB case have worked at the OMX exchange in the past? There's a titbit.
The top-level business culture in Stockholm is tighter-knit than the freemasons, and consists of less than 100 people, who all drink at the same watering-holes on Östermalm. It's as corrupt as a bag of decaying ferrets.
"The Australian published an unsourced report claiming Huawei is employing "technicians in Australia with direct links to the People’s Liberation Army".
The poor sods that live in Oz definitely need serious liberating from the Stalinist fuckwitts in power there.
First a ridiculously fine triumph of common decency over realpolitik with Al Megrahi, and now this!
Get similar restrictions implemented and ruthlessly enforced in the private sector too, and CCTV outlawed in all but extremely sensitive areas and I'll be sure to be back home come referendum day.
No point in hating everything Microsoft and working towards good interop, etc., but anything contributed by them is likely infected by proprietary IP (maybe not even Microsoft's!) and should be treated as the kernel-tainting trojan horse that it is. Only this sort of stance will guarantee we continue to have the choices we have today.
Fail & Me. Yeah of course when correcting an obvious error, I would be guaranteed to make one myself and mistakenly not type "L4 isn't Linux, it's more like Mach". :-)
L3 & L4 were ostensibly designed to overcome some of the performance limitations of Mach.
Privacy is one of them - being bombarded by ads and behaviorally monitored 24x7 fucks with that principle big time, irrespective of whether it's the state or a corporate gangster behind it.
"Explain to me how us providing those things to states like North Korea and Iran, which chose to spend their domestic budgets on building nuclear weapons instead of, oh, say clean water, reliable electricity and a decent infrastructure would stop them from making nuclear bombs?"
Search me, guv. However the US spends over 1.5 more percentage points of GDP on it's military budget than Iran does. You say infrastructure should take precedence over defence, I say 46 million uninsured for healthcare would agree.
Well considering McKinnon has "owned up" that point is moot. What isn't moot is the government taking responsibility for protecting it's citizens from the actions of hostile foreign powers, which include - among other things - clear obligations not to send *anyone* (citizen or otherwise) to countries that are suspected of practicing torture. You do know he committed the "crime" (so heinous that the CPS couldn't be arsed to prosecute) in 2001 and is being extradited under a treaty from 2003, ratified in 2006? If you think sending a citizen to face "justice" in a foreign court under circumstances like that is "responsible", you are a moron.
Right. Restrictive licences are anti-consumer, full stop. Allowing companies to dictate arbitrary licensing terms does not a contract make. You know where this ends up - "Thou shalt not use this software on the sabbath" - type clauses which the consumer gets browbeaten into thinking is acceptable - well it's not.
One more thing - can Psystar be liable to comply with an EULA if they are not technically the "End-User"?
So not only does the developed World get fat siphoning off the natural resources of developing countries, but Bill wants to bleed them dry of talent too? Feck off, Bill.
Remember free as in freedom, not free as in beer. This is precisely the sort of added value product that free software companies are supposed to make their living with, innit? If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it - the price will come down or the product will disappear if it really is too expensive. In an environment where people will pay top-dollar for a mediocre mobile phone packaged as an alien tampon-applicator, I'd say anything goes.
Örebro is only second to Bollnäs in the "most-mind-numbingly-ugly-and-dull" provincial town stakes in Sweden because it's the hometown of luscious, pouting Nina Persson. See the lengths they'll go to there to break the monotony?
"Result: Nobody works at the Met Office without being thoroughly vetted."
Firstly, I worked at the Met Office, and was a card-carrying member of more "student-fun" organisations than you could shake a stick at. Secondly positive vetting has always quite rightly more concerned with making sure public-school-tards don't expose themselves to blackmail by the Russkies due to their "interesting" sexual deviations than pretty much anything else. Because the MOD always - but always - leaks from the top-down.
"You are a *potential* threat, by dint of your previous history."
To the bizarre World of the IPTard. Their endgame is that the chip implanted in your bonce will debit your account every time you hear a tune in your head, make no mistake.
Definitely the most capable computer of it's generation and class. Pity the hideous oversight of no MIDI ports allowed gamers to monopolize and kill it. Just think of all the later suffering under years of that abortion protools that could have been avoided if the Amiga had broke the pro audio market and Charlie Steinberg could have had Cubase on a superior platform.
Fond memories of writing code code to translate IMS data to relational in SAS C that got posted to Indonesia on a disk to be compiled and run unchanged on Unix.
"Nonsense. Copyright Infringers may also be subject to criminal prosecution if the infringement is found to be "willful""
Rubbish. "Copyright infringement for pecuniary advantage" may be subject to criminal proceedings and is a different offence, no amount of sophistry on your part will conflate the two. TPB were sued in a civil court - there was no criminal case against them. Actually, there wasn't even a proper civil case made as has been explained to you. The judge was likely got at in a manner similar to the initial investigating officer, because mere "bias" isn't enough to explain the verdict. TPB have been successfully sued by copyright organizations for being arseholes in a kangaroo court, where the presiding judge was undeniably "jävig", they clearly contravened no Swedish law.
The Pirate Bay case is about much, much more than copyright infringement. At least in Sweden, this case will have ramifications for stuff that is actually important, like personal privacy, civil rights and net neutrality. That the actions of foreign corporations have trashed the Swedish Constitution and discredited the legal system with the help of a corrupt judge and his cronies is of far greater import than a few annoying people "getting whet they deserved".
"One does not need to provide “quantifiable evidence of damage to the plaintiff” to prove copyright infringement. To establish copyright infringement in a court of law, a copyright owner must establish proof copyright ownership and proof of copying."
Proof of copyright infringement is quite rightly not enough to satisfy a tort suit in Sweden. Damage to the plaintiff must be established and shown.
"Black’s Law Dictionary defines “aid and abet” as “To assist or facilitate the commission of a crime or to promote its accomplishment.” Copyright infringement is still a crime and TPB facilitated in the commission of that crime."
"Black's Law Dictionary" might also inform you that copyright infringement is not "still a crime" - It never has been in countries with non-Mickey-Mouse legal systems. This is civil law here.
"That’s a textbook example of aiding and abetting. It’s a slam-dunk conviction. Grow up and deal with it, kiddies."
A textbook example of a troll, more like. For "aiding and abetting", the prosecution would have to show tortious behavior on the part of Pirate Bay downloaders AND the defendants, AND have quantifiable evidence of damage to the plaintiff.
Of course any reasonable person who can read Swedish can see they achieved absolutely none of the above, and were handed a summary judgment on a plate by a nobbled judge. Under Swedish tort, TPB have no duty of care to validate the links on their site, but criminal law may apply for strict-liability stuff like child porn.
BB, because IPTards have no problem fucking your privacy for money.
"Look dipshit, you were doing something of questionable legality, while the judge wasn't."
A judge taking backhanders in brown envelopes - or in kind - from your copyright-club mates is as illegal as fuck. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that beak ended up with WB job just like the knobbled cop did.
"You know file sharing is illegal*. She knew file sharing was illegal"
Except that file sharing isn't illegal, it's unlawful. And even if it was, you probably know there are students out there on the streets of Tehran getting peppered with 39mm bullets or getting banged up for "illegally demonstrating". What do you think of that "law"? Legalism isn't a cogent argument, it's an apology for totalitarianism.
"Ah, that's OK then. The document is only concerned with Islamist extremists so without facts on any other extremist group we have nothing to fear from anyone else. That's very reassuring."
Be extra reassured in the wonderful knowledge that you have very little-to-nothing to fear from Islamist nutcase websites either.
That said, real home-grown racist knuckle-draggers of all shades scare the living bejaysus out of me.
Borland's strength and beauty was always being the best toolkit in the desktop developer's market. Pushing Delphi and siblings into the middleware & enterprise markets was a typical "idea in a suit" abortion. Going head-to-head with the likes of IBM, java etc was doomed from the start and everyone knew it.
Delphi was so good at those kind of small bespoke jobs that even a developer like myself who would rather stick needles in their eyes than code Pascal would use it for certain problems. That and the incredibly rich ecosystem of small shops providing components and libs, the ease of drilling down from RAD design, through the windows API, all the way to win32 asm if needed meant one could have performance-critical things like - for example - audio plugins looking beautiful and performing well in no time at all.
So Borland was maybe at home in a lot of niche markets, but so what? - it's still money in the bank at the end of the day, and better than having no money, no future, no developer base and being kicked around like a corporate football.
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Fine tune its WHAT?
Is this really an IT rag or..?
If you put in a FreeBSD kernel, it isn't fekkin' Linux at all, is it? Good grief.
@Jake
"Internet access itself is hardly a necessity for life"
Neither are roads, electricity, or a telephone. It all depends where you draw the line. Private enterprise has historically and will continue to be a complete failure at capital-intensive infrastructural projects unless operating as a monopoly - 30000 rural "broadband" cowboy outfits all using different-sized jack plugs is a surefire way to rollout a service second to all.
@JohnG
"Alternatively, you can pay for a leased line from your own pocket. Country dwellers aren't about to subsidise my more expensive and meagre city accomodation - why should I subsidise their Internet access?"
Because living in a city in a civilized country is a lifestyle choice? Feel free to fuck off elsewhere.
Hmm
Maybe the poor, misguided soul thinks the "WMD Tehran" was supposed to be *dropped* on Tehran, due to the likelihood of Zionists doing it? I dunno....
@Jason Bloomberg
"Lou Gosselin is right to put the blame on "feature-bloated monolithic kernels"
Actually he isn't right at all. World + dog knows that Linux hasn't been a true monolithic kernel since before I learned to mix metaphors. It is only monolithic in the sense that drivers run in kernel space - in combination with udev, etc., drivers are never loaded into the kernel unless required by hardware, so unless you can find a way to do away with device drivers for an ever-expanding plethora of hardware, protocols and legacy systems, you're essentially up shit creek.
The so-called "micro"-kernel concept is a documented failure (xnu, L3, mach, excepting QNX maybe) in terms of both code-bloat, performance and maintainability when compared to kernels that contain other critical subsystems than IPC, Memory management and scheduling in the core code. Sure it's a great and elegant idea conceptually, but an abject failure at doing anything else except being a conversation topic among the University chattering classes.
Now the argument of exactly what should go in a kernel can be argued over till we're blue in the face, and sure Linux could maybe do with a prune here and there, but devices are supported by code, not Scotch Mist.
@Lou Gosselin
"Maybe Linus will finally overlook his pride and give up his stubborn decade long argument for feature-bloated monolithic kernels."
Running drivers in user-space would help code-bloat and performance how, exactly? The drivers aren't going to get any smaller - probably the reverse given the relaxed requirements - and running drivers in user-space is probably the best way to kill kernel performance known to man. Case in point - xnu has to be hybrid to avoid being unusable, and it runs like a mangy dog nonetheless.
@Havin_it
Circumstantial? Certain associates at the law firm representing the Industry in TPB case have worked at the OMX exchange in the past? There's a titbit.
The top-level business culture in Stockholm is tighter-knit than the freemasons, and consists of less than 100 people, who all drink at the same watering-holes on Östermalm. It's as corrupt as a bag of decaying ferrets.
That said, GGF are chancers, but still..
@AC
"But wait a minute, Murdock is a Brit. I am so confused."
Fucking right you're confused pal. _Murdoch_ is an Australian.
In other shock news it's been ascertained by scientists at the Institute for Boffinry that the United States is a hostile foreign power.
Truth by omission.
Which border, which country? Looking for Iranian airliners, was it?
Fantastic
Brown family, were they perchance?
Another 2 children growing up prepared to carry backpacks of fertiliser?
Result.
@Matt Bryant
" Even if he could pretend he didn't know what type of moronic activities Indymedia readers and posters get up to"
Indeed. It would be terrible if Indymedia started posting the addresses of Zionist shills in the forlorn hope someone would find them with a clue bat.
Impractical?
Shite. Intercity buses have rolled out wi-fi and mains electricity here in Sweden already.
Of course in a country that can't even roll out a usable broadband connection to most homes, it may very well be impractical alright.
Good for them!
"The Australian published an unsourced report claiming Huawei is employing "technicians in Australia with direct links to the People’s Liberation Army".
The poor sods that live in Oz definitely need serious liberating from the Stalinist fuckwitts in power there.
Jaded
I am - I read it as "free threats", then I realised it was about vmware, not SCO.
Major Win.
First a ridiculously fine triumph of common decency over realpolitik with Al Megrahi, and now this!
Get similar restrictions implemented and ruthlessly enforced in the private sector too, and CCTV outlawed in all but extremely sensitive areas and I'll be sure to be back home come referendum day.
@AC
"(not your iPhone, you're just a licensee...)"
Fucking hell. You have a serious cognitive disorder. Please seek treatment.
@Cobblers
"and scientists (in particular physicists) should avoid attempting to talk about Philosophy."
Notwithstanding that the traditional name for "physics" is Nat. Phil., dumbass.
Torvalds
Is right and wrong at the same time.
No point in hating everything Microsoft and working towards good interop, etc., but anything contributed by them is likely infected by proprietary IP (maybe not even Microsoft's!) and should be treated as the kernel-tainting trojan horse that it is. Only this sort of stance will guarantee we continue to have the choices we have today.
Patent troll alert.
Ironic
Many complain (sometimes myself included) that penalties for driving offences are too lenient.
Having your personal life exposed to everyone from "Trade Bodies", to chavs, to the Russian Mob seems like cruel and unusual punishment to me, though.
@ Karim Bourouba
Fail & Me. Yeah of course when correcting an obvious error, I would be guaranteed to make one myself and mistakenly not type "L4 isn't Linux, it's more like Mach". :-)
L3 & L4 were ostensibly designed to overcome some of the performance limitations of Mach.
In other news.
Bank robbers in London planned their heist with the unwitting help of mobile telephones.
Inalienable rights
Free people enjoy inalienable rights.
Privacy is one of them - being bombarded by ads and behaviorally monitored 24x7 fucks with that principle big time, irrespective of whether it's the state or a corporate gangster behind it.
L4?
"Computer scientists claim to have built a Linux kernel for embedded mission-critical systems that maths proves is free of many types of errors"
Eh, L4 isn't Linux, it's Mach.
Septics
Individually lovely people - collectively thick as shit in the neck of a bottle, daft as brushes and ugly as a bag of chisels.
//Signed another pauper saved from corpsedom by the NHS.
@Matt 32
"Explain to me how us providing those things to states like North Korea and Iran, which chose to spend their domestic budgets on building nuclear weapons instead of, oh, say clean water, reliable electricity and a decent infrastructure would stop them from making nuclear bombs?"
Search me, guv. However the US spends over 1.5 more percentage points of GDP on it's military budget than Iran does. You say infrastructure should take precedence over defence, I say 46 million uninsured for healthcare would agree.
It's not what, exactly?
"From where we sit, however, Palm doesn't have the right to tweak its iPhone competitor to make it pretend to be something it's not."
Well duh, it's not pretending to be an iPhone, it's declaring itself iTunes/iPhone-compatible.
What next? Safari only browsing apple-designed websites? Apple computers not talking to non-Apple gear over TCP/IP either?
Shurely shome mishtake?
Something "Alien" managed to hit the martian surface without leaving a great big bloody hole?
@Responsibility
Well considering McKinnon has "owned up" that point is moot. What isn't moot is the government taking responsibility for protecting it's citizens from the actions of hostile foreign powers, which include - among other things - clear obligations not to send *anyone* (citizen or otherwise) to countries that are suspected of practicing torture. You do know he committed the "crime" (so heinous that the CPS couldn't be arsed to prosecute) in 2001 and is being extradited under a treaty from 2003, ratified in 2006? If you think sending a citizen to face "justice" in a foreign court under circumstances like that is "responsible", you are a moron.
@Robert Long 1
Right. Restrictive licences are anti-consumer, full stop. Allowing companies to dictate arbitrary licensing terms does not a contract make. You know where this ends up - "Thou shalt not use this software on the sabbath" - type clauses which the consumer gets browbeaten into thinking is acceptable - well it's not.
One more thing - can Psystar be liable to comply with an EULA if they are not technically the "End-User"?
WTF?
So not only does the developed World get fat siphoning off the natural resources of developing countries, but Bill wants to bleed them dry of talent too? Feck off, Bill.
@Matt
Remember free as in freedom, not free as in beer. This is precisely the sort of added value product that free software companies are supposed to make their living with, innit? If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it - the price will come down or the product will disappear if it really is too expensive. In an environment where people will pay top-dollar for a mediocre mobile phone packaged as an alien tampon-applicator, I'd say anything goes.
Yuk
Örebro is only second to Bollnäs in the "most-mind-numbingly-ugly-and-dull" provincial town stakes in Sweden because it's the hometown of luscious, pouting Nina Persson. See the lengths they'll go to there to break the monotony?
Definitely
Java at work. The machine stays up to send you bills in the quadrillions. (Probably needed to pay for their CPU time).
@Vetting
"Result: Nobody works at the Met Office without being thoroughly vetted."
Firstly, I worked at the Met Office, and was a card-carrying member of more "student-fun" organisations than you could shake a stick at. Secondly positive vetting has always quite rightly more concerned with making sure public-school-tards don't expose themselves to blackmail by the Russkies due to their "interesting" sexual deviations than pretty much anything else. Because the MOD always - but always - leaks from the top-down.
"You are a *potential* threat, by dint of your previous history."
No he isn't. See above.
Welcome
To the bizarre World of the IPTard. Their endgame is that the chip implanted in your bonce will debit your account every time you hear a tune in your head, make no mistake.
Might as well have
Jean-Claude Van Damme in the lead and a title of "Ah, Steroids"
Good times
Definitely the most capable computer of it's generation and class. Pity the hideous oversight of no MIDI ports allowed gamers to monopolize and kill it. Just think of all the later suffering under years of that abortion protools that could have been avoided if the Amiga had broke the pro audio market and Charlie Steinberg could have had Cubase on a superior platform.
Fond memories of writing code code to translate IMS data to relational in SAS C that got posted to Indonesia on a disk to be compiled and run unchanged on Unix.
@Escovado
"Nonsense. Copyright Infringers may also be subject to criminal prosecution if the infringement is found to be "willful""
Rubbish. "Copyright infringement for pecuniary advantage" may be subject to criminal proceedings and is a different offence, no amount of sophistry on your part will conflate the two. TPB were sued in a civil court - there was no criminal case against them. Actually, there wasn't even a proper civil case made as has been explained to you. The judge was likely got at in a manner similar to the initial investigating officer, because mere "bias" isn't enough to explain the verdict. TPB have been successfully sued by copyright organizations for being arseholes in a kangaroo court, where the presiding judge was undeniably "jävig", they clearly contravened no Swedish law.
The Pirate Bay case is about much, much more than copyright infringement. At least in Sweden, this case will have ramifications for stuff that is actually important, like personal privacy, civil rights and net neutrality. That the actions of foreign corporations have trashed the Swedish Constitution and discredited the legal system with the help of a corrupt judge and his cronies is of far greater import than a few annoying people "getting whet they deserved".
allyourjudgesarebelongtous.org
Time to get out anyway.
@Escovado
"One does not need to provide “quantifiable evidence of damage to the plaintiff” to prove copyright infringement. To establish copyright infringement in a court of law, a copyright owner must establish proof copyright ownership and proof of copying."
Proof of copyright infringement is quite rightly not enough to satisfy a tort suit in Sweden. Damage to the plaintiff must be established and shown.
"Black’s Law Dictionary defines “aid and abet” as “To assist or facilitate the commission of a crime or to promote its accomplishment.” Copyright infringement is still a crime and TPB facilitated in the commission of that crime."
"Black's Law Dictionary" might also inform you that copyright infringement is not "still a crime" - It never has been in countries with non-Mickey-Mouse legal systems. This is civil law here.
@Escovado
"That’s a textbook example of aiding and abetting. It’s a slam-dunk conviction. Grow up and deal with it, kiddies."
A textbook example of a troll, more like. For "aiding and abetting", the prosecution would have to show tortious behavior on the part of Pirate Bay downloaders AND the defendants, AND have quantifiable evidence of damage to the plaintiff.
Of course any reasonable person who can read Swedish can see they achieved absolutely none of the above, and were handed a summary judgment on a plate by a nobbled judge. Under Swedish tort, TPB have no duty of care to validate the links on their site, but criminal law may apply for strict-liability stuff like child porn.
BB, because IPTards have no problem fucking your privacy for money.
@Chris Wareham
"Look dipshit, you were doing something of questionable legality, while the judge wasn't."
A judge taking backhanders in brown envelopes - or in kind - from your copyright-club mates is as illegal as fuck. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that beak ended up with WB job just like the knobbled cop did.
Countermeasures
Since the mad mullahs don't shave, don't you know they'll start gluing plentiful spare razor blades to the front of the warhead.
A load of..
Each and every client machine here at home is called "shit", albeit in different languages. Servers Mothership, Uddership and Redcow.
@ Grease Monkey
"Because the prosecution already own the songs. Duh!"
So it seems she has been fined $1.92m for allowing people who own copyright to exercise that copyright? What?
@Chris W
"You know file sharing is illegal*. She knew file sharing was illegal"
Except that file sharing isn't illegal, it's unlawful. And even if it was, you probably know there are students out there on the streets of Tehran getting peppered with 39mm bullets or getting banged up for "illegally demonstrating". What do you think of that "law"? Legalism isn't a cogent argument, it's an apology for totalitarianism.
Copyright Infringement
Is fast becoming a civic duty.
@Chris W
"Ah, that's OK then. The document is only concerned with Islamist extremists so without facts on any other extremist group we have nothing to fear from anyone else. That's very reassuring."
Be extra reassured in the wonderful knowledge that you have very little-to-nothing to fear from Islamist nutcase websites either.
That said, real home-grown racist knuckle-draggers of all shades scare the living bejaysus out of me.
Mega-cult?
"Time Magazine lists his Divine Light Mission among the mega-cults of the 1970s, the heyday of the mega-cult."
I was singularly unaware that they had iPhones in the 1970's
iCult, anyone?
Inprise - Horseman of the Apocalypse
Borland's strength and beauty was always being the best toolkit in the desktop developer's market. Pushing Delphi and siblings into the middleware & enterprise markets was a typical "idea in a suit" abortion. Going head-to-head with the likes of IBM, java etc was doomed from the start and everyone knew it.
Delphi was so good at those kind of small bespoke jobs that even a developer like myself who would rather stick needles in their eyes than code Pascal would use it for certain problems. That and the incredibly rich ecosystem of small shops providing components and libs, the ease of drilling down from RAD design, through the windows API, all the way to win32 asm if needed meant one could have performance-critical things like - for example - audio plugins looking beautiful and performing well in no time at all.
So Borland was maybe at home in a lot of niche markets, but so what? - it's still money in the bank at the end of the day, and better than having no money, no future, no developer base and being kicked around like a corporate football.
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