On the Galaxy Nexus, if you load up an "old" app which still needs the "old" Menu button, a new button appears at the bottom right to open it. However, if the One X's buttons are fixed capacitive ones, how do you access that menu on a One X?
Oh look, the iPhone-using community can no longer include Instagram in their fanboyism because it's no longer exclusive to them. What a terrible shame.
(What is it with iPhone users anyway? I've owned an iPhone before - it wasn't godlike.)
"The correct answer for the intermediate term is to stick with IPv4 and use more NAT and more private addresses."
No. No no no. No no no no no, never ever. Never!
NAT is a dirty hack which never should have existed in the first place. The Internet is designed to make machines globally routable. NAT breaks that very philosophy.
If my ISP ever put me behind carrier NAT, I will cancel my service.
Re: This leads into the other major issue with IPv6: the inability to do multihoming.
Wrong.
IPv4 and IPv6 multihoming is not any different whatsoever. Multihoming is the ability to route the same address space through multiple logically independent networks. The requirement for a "carrier-independent" address is exactly the same in both IPv4 and IPv6 if you want to perform true multihoming in the Internet BGP sense of the word.
Don't blur the thick black line between multihoming and load balancing.
Re: Re: Must absolutely everything in the world involve Apple?
It's hard not to. Upon searching for reviews for a new Android phone recently, I was faced with nearly all of them comparing straight to the iPhone. Apple propaganda is inevitable everywhere it seems, even more so that they're trying to sue the crap out of everyone.
This is defensive strategy on Google's part. They are trying to reduce the number of things that Apple can go after HTC with, who of course, produce a significant portion of Android devices.
Unfortunately this seems to be the only thing companies can do these days to protect their creations.
Must absolutely everything in the world involve Apple?
If it's a phone review, it's compared with the iPhone. If it's a tablet review, it's compared with the iPad. If it has the letter "i" in the name, it must be something to do with Apple. If it's something to do with Apple, then it's probably a legal dispute.
... we are seeing a perfect example of Apple litigating because they are not able to innovate.
I own a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and frankly, I think it's a great device. Even if Apple had the Galaxy Nexus removed from the shelves before I could buy one, I still wouldn't buy an iPhone. Apple are very wrong in thinking that just because they've nuked the competition means that people will actually want their devices instead.
I'll buy an iPhone if and when I feel that it's innovated above what I like about Android. (Yes, I have previously owned an iPhone, and frankly, I was disappointed by it.)
This has nothing to do with "customers upset that email outsourced to Google", this is about "Google shouldn't have emailed Virgin Media customers".
In any case, when you agree to Virgin Media's terms and conditions, you agree to them outsourcing your email. If you choose to use that service, you agree to the service terms and conditions too. If you, as a consumer, did not bother to read them, you do not have the right to be "infuriated".
"Infuriated customers want to know how the Goog got their addresses"
Virgin Media delegated their email service to Google. Therefore it is VERY STRAIGHT-FORWARD TO UNDERSTAND exactly why Google have their email addresses, because GOOGLE PROVIDE THE EMAIL ADDRESSES.
You mean with all of the apps that are available on mobile marketplaces these days that are actually designed for the platform, people are still pining for Palm OS applications to run in ugly virtualised environments and don't at all act like the host platform? Really?
Palm OS was a terrible platform, and it is for that reason that I don't pull a phone out of my pocket that runs Palm OS. Let the damn thing die.
Frankly it's stupid that people think that ISPs have a god-given right to access BT and Virgin Media's networks. BT inherited their infrastructure, so it belongs to them. Virgin spent a lot of money building their network, so it belongs to them. Both BT and Virgin spend a very significant amount of money deploying fibre and other network improvements, but hold on, we don't see TalkTalk or Sky footing any of the bill. Instead they just complain about having to even pay wholesale charges which, considering the amount of money BT and Virgin spend on upgrades, isn't actually that much. TalkTalk and other companies can piss off acting hard done by just because they don't want to put their own fingers out and deploy infrastructure themselves.
It's no different to spectrum auctions for 3G - which company can cry the loudest?
... if this happened. I used to write programs years ago using .NET Compact Framework in C# for Windows Mobile devices, and the same executable file would often run just perfectly on a Windows desktop.
Even the architecture bridge may not be necessarily a problem, if Microsoft are planning on making sensible use of the Common Language Runtime.
... which, in just about every case, is the stupid man sat in front of the stupid computer.
Yes, systems and networks should of course be designed with security in mind, but as long as you have just one idiot who's going to walk off with a laptop full of unsecured data or plug in a strange USB stick into a critical system (nearly always because he doesn't know any better), this is always going to happen.
Educate the users, not the machines. If they fail to comply, fire 'em.
They spend money, time and resources on writing an application for iPhone/iPad, only to find that it was actually a complete waste because Apple have a chip on their shoulders.
Even more it is a shame because they could have spent the same money, time and resources writing an application for other platforms and already be making money from their creation by now without facing any of this dystopian nonsense.
This fanboyism is getting quite out of hand, and I find it sickening that The Reg has lowered itself to posting articles like this one that do nothing but fuel this very tired Mac vs PC, iPhone vs anything else argument.
I use a Mac. It gets my work done. It's not perfect; it periodically has problems just like Windows, and I certainly don't feel the need to go and preach about Macs to my friends and family. I bought it because at the time it sported a good battery compared to other laptops of the same weight/dimensions, and that is handy when travelling a lot.
Is it simply not possible anymore to just go out and buy a piece of hardware without having to be grouped with a whole bunch of elitist morons? :|
"why do designers think lecy cars need an air intake, or fake radiator grill?"
Your computer is an electric device that requires cooling. An electric car is an even bigger electric device that requires even more cooling! Head back to your high school physics class, and you'll learn that, amongst other things, moving parts and friction generate heat.
Unless Opera intend to tunnel traffic between every user and every other user, then this will make no significant impact in most of the world because it won't work in most of the world without port mapping. A lot of home routers still don't support UPnP/NAT-PMP, for christs sake.
Oh dear. Microsoft appear to have created a recognisable icon that helps people to identify their product quickly and easily, just like every other successful brand in the world has done.
... and I use a Mac because I like it. It's user interface just makes more sense to me. It's not about security (after all, a computer is only as secure as it's owner), nor is it about speed. It just does what I want it to.
PC users who are calling Mac users "fanboys" are just as bad as the pretentious over-bearing Mac users out there. It must be jealousy or something. I can't think of any other reason why you'd get so screwed up about it.
... to see my Exchange (Durham) listed there. Most of us can't get higher than 1mbps real throughput anyway. My 3 Mobile Broadband is faster than anything BT could give me.
Even as a former PC World employee who used to do hard drive recovery, I would never look at people's files. Disk checking utilities are more than capable of telling whether the data integrity on the hard drive is OK without me sifting through their personal files.
It's probably simpler than you think; my bet is that the tethering will be hardcoded by the operators to use a different access point. In that case, it's very very easy for them to now if you're tethering.
I'm amazed that not one of you guys even thought of that.
"Also, can't the BlackBerry be erased over the air?"
Consider reading the article:
"Commenters on the Daily Mail's website were quick to point out that the BlackBerry features a lock-down feature to enable savvy customers to prevent their address books and other data being pillaged if the device is lost. And of course, contacts can also be backed up. Sadly, it appears Paris is not one of the vendor's savvy customers. ®"
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If this were Apple...
... everyone would be strangely OK with it.
I still don't see Gecko-based browsers on iOS but, curiously, nobody is outraged by that.
"It's broken basically"
Love it.
Re: The capacitive buttons: I'm curious...
Makes sense I suppose!
The capacitive buttons: I'm curious...
On the Galaxy Nexus, if you load up an "old" app which still needs the "old" Menu button, a new button appears at the bottom right to open it. However, if the One X's buttons are fixed capacitive ones, how do you access that menu on a One X?
Oh look, the iPhone-using community can no longer include Instagram in their fanboyism because it's no longer exclusive to them. What a terrible shame.
(What is it with iPhone users anyway? I've owned an iPhone before - it wasn't godlike.)
Re: A total waste of time and money
"The correct answer for the intermediate term is to stick with IPv4 and use more NAT and more private addresses."
No. No no no. No no no no no, never ever. Never!
NAT is a dirty hack which never should have existed in the first place. The Internet is designed to make machines globally routable. NAT breaks that very philosophy.
If my ISP ever put me behind carrier NAT, I will cancel my service.
Re: This leads into the other major issue with IPv6: the inability to do multihoming.
Wrong.
IPv4 and IPv6 multihoming is not any different whatsoever. Multihoming is the ability to route the same address space through multiple logically independent networks. The requirement for a "carrier-independent" address is exactly the same in both IPv4 and IPv6 if you want to perform true multihoming in the Internet BGP sense of the word.
Don't blur the thick black line between multihoming and load balancing.
The Room
Kind of sad that The Room didn't make it onto this list. It is unquestionably and hysterically terrible.
Re: Re: Must absolutely everything in the world involve Apple?
It's hard not to. Upon searching for reviews for a new Android phone recently, I was faced with nearly all of them comparing straight to the iPhone. Apple propaganda is inevitable everywhere it seems, even more so that they're trying to sue the crap out of everyone.
"OS X may "look" more like iOS but it'll still be a "proper computer" for those that need it to be"
I wouldn't count on that being the case for long. Apple are making it more and more clear that the Mac doesn't have a long-term future.
Re: It's already there...
This is defensive strategy on Google's part. They are trying to reduce the number of things that Apple can go after HTC with, who of course, produce a significant portion of Android devices.
Unfortunately this seems to be the only thing companies can do these days to protect their creations.
Must absolutely everything in the world involve Apple?
If it's a phone review, it's compared with the iPhone. If it's a tablet review, it's compared with the iPad. If it has the letter "i" in the name, it must be something to do with Apple. If it's something to do with Apple, then it's probably a legal dispute.
It's really quite tiring.
Once again
... we are seeing a perfect example of Apple litigating because they are not able to innovate.
I own a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and frankly, I think it's a great device. Even if Apple had the Galaxy Nexus removed from the shelves before I could buy one, I still wouldn't buy an iPhone. Apple are very wrong in thinking that just because they've nuked the competition means that people will actually want their devices instead.
I'll buy an iPhone if and when I feel that it's innovated above what I like about Android. (Yes, I have previously owned an iPhone, and frankly, I was disappointed by it.)
Did you fail to read the article?
This has nothing to do with "customers upset that email outsourced to Google", this is about "Google shouldn't have emailed Virgin Media customers".
In any case, when you agree to Virgin Media's terms and conditions, you agree to them outsourcing your email. If you choose to use that service, you agree to the service terms and conditions too. If you, as a consumer, did not bother to read them, you do not have the right to be "infuriated".
"Infuriated customers want to know how the Goog got their addresses"
Virgin Media delegated their email service to Google. Therefore it is VERY STRAIGHT-FORWARD TO UNDERSTAND exactly why Google have their email addresses, because GOOGLE PROVIDE THE EMAIL ADDRESSES.
Sigh. Are people getting stupider or what?
Seriously?
You mean with all of the apps that are available on mobile marketplaces these days that are actually designed for the platform, people are still pining for Palm OS applications to run in ugly virtualised environments and don't at all act like the host platform? Really?
Palm OS was a terrible platform, and it is for that reason that I don't pull a phone out of my pocket that runs Palm OS. Let the damn thing die.
Moto XOOM has 5GHz WiFi also.
Oh, fuck off Apple.
This is just beyond stupidity now.
Fairly good reason to not install Flash!
Frankly it's stupid that people think that ISPs have a god-given right to access BT and Virgin Media's networks. BT inherited their infrastructure, so it belongs to them. Virgin spent a lot of money building their network, so it belongs to them. Both BT and Virgin spend a very significant amount of money deploying fibre and other network improvements, but hold on, we don't see TalkTalk or Sky footing any of the bill. Instead they just complain about having to even pay wholesale charges which, considering the amount of money BT and Virgin spend on upgrades, isn't actually that much. TalkTalk and other companies can piss off acting hard done by just because they don't want to put their own fingers out and deploy infrastructure themselves.
It's no different to spectrum auctions for 3G - which company can cry the loudest?
Frankly I wouldn't be surprised
... if this happened. I used to write programs years ago using .NET Compact Framework in C# for Windows Mobile devices, and the same executable file would often run just perfectly on a Windows desktop.
Even the architecture bridge may not be necessarily a problem, if Microsoft are planning on making sensible use of the Common Language Runtime.
Systems are only as secure as their weakest link
... which, in just about every case, is the stupid man sat in front of the stupid computer.
Yes, systems and networks should of course be designed with security in mind, but as long as you have just one idiot who's going to walk off with a laptop full of unsecured data or plug in a strange USB stick into a critical system (nearly always because he doesn't know any better), this is always going to happen.
Educate the users, not the machines. If they fail to comply, fire 'em.
Is it just me
... or does this article not even specify which operator it is?
Pointless. :|
Re: "I don't know why they don't just stick with 720p and be done with it."
I don't know why you don't just stick with Windows 95 and be done with it.
I feel bad for these developers.
They spend money, time and resources on writing an application for iPhone/iPad, only to find that it was actually a complete waste because Apple have a chip on their shoulders.
Even more it is a shame because they could have spent the same money, time and resources writing an application for other platforms and already be making money from their creation by now without facing any of this dystopian nonsense.
So first the government announces cuts...
… and next, they're helping people buy their cars?
Windows XP is old.
Get over it already.
"getting more women to join the IT industry"
In which case, they need to be hiring men to stand around in speedos, not women.
It's just a computer after all
This fanboyism is getting quite out of hand, and I find it sickening that The Reg has lowered itself to posting articles like this one that do nothing but fuel this very tired Mac vs PC, iPhone vs anything else argument.
I use a Mac. It gets my work done. It's not perfect; it periodically has problems just like Windows, and I certainly don't feel the need to go and preach about Macs to my friends and family. I bought it because at the time it sported a good battery compared to other laptops of the same weight/dimensions, and that is handy when travelling a lot.
Is it simply not possible anymore to just go out and buy a piece of hardware without having to be grouped with a whole bunch of elitist morons? :|
"It would seem that Google eventually wants to move away from Flash."
That's alright. So does the rest of the Internet.
"It'll be interesting to see if anyone else has criticism for 21CN"
Of course they do. This "21st Century" network of theirs doesn't even support IPv6!
"All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit."
Yeah, it seems that really is "all he can say".
"Microsoft is expected to unveil Windows 7"
The time-space continuum continues to deceive us.
Re: Back to the drawing board...
Finland you mean, surely.
I always liked the usability of Symbian OS. It just needs to be refined to be more fluid and have less oddities.
@ Andy 70
"why do designers think lecy cars need an air intake, or fake radiator grill?"
Your computer is an electric device that requires cooling. An electric car is an even bigger electric device that requires even more cooling! Head back to your high school physics class, and you'll learn that, amongst other things, moving parts and friction generate heat.
Just bought a TZ65
... essentially the same camera but without the HD video recording, and it's an absolute stunner. Works brilliantly, really love it.
Maybe
... they'll show leniancy towards Google Voice while they're at it. Fuckers.
@ J 3
"Are they still mentioning the (as far as I remember) lie that the return rates are higher for Linux-based machines?"
In the computer store that I worked in, this was very definitely the case.
NAT Hell
Unless Opera intend to tunnel traffic between every user and every other user, then this will make no significant impact in most of the world because it won't work in most of the world without port mapping. A lot of home routers still don't support UPnP/NAT-PMP, for christs sake.
Get IPv6 out there, then we'll talk.
Blah blah blah...
Oh dear. Microsoft appear to have created a recognisable icon that helps people to identify their product quickly and easily, just like every other successful brand in the world has done.
We must sue them at once.
I use a Mac
... and I use a Mac because I like it. It's user interface just makes more sense to me. It's not about security (after all, a computer is only as secure as it's owner), nor is it about speed. It just does what I want it to.
PC users who are calling Mac users "fanboys" are just as bad as the pretentious over-bearing Mac users out there. It must be jealousy or something. I can't think of any other reason why you'd get so screwed up about it.
I'm surprised
... to see my Exchange (Durham) listed there. Most of us can't get higher than 1mbps real throughput anyway. My 3 Mobile Broadband is faster than anything BT could give me.
@ "PC World"
Even as a former PC World employee who used to do hard drive recovery, I would never look at people's files. Disk checking utilities are more than capable of telling whether the data integrity on the hard drive is OK without me sifting through their personal files.
"Perhaps he then drives home to switch the heater off"
In his Prius, of course.
@Anonymous Coward
Probably there is a reason that you are an anonymous coward.
Dear CSIRO
You will not succeed. Thanks though.
How will they know whether you are tethering?
It's probably simpler than you think; my bet is that the tethering will be hardcoded by the operators to use a different access point. In that case, it's very very easy for them to now if you're tethering.
I'm amazed that not one of you guys even thought of that.
BT
About fucking time.
@Doc Dish
"Also, can't the BlackBerry be erased over the air?"
Consider reading the article:
"Commenters on the Daily Mail's website were quick to point out that the BlackBerry features a lock-down feature to enable savvy customers to prevent their address books and other data being pillaged if the device is lost. And of course, contacts can also be backed up. Sadly, it appears Paris is not one of the vendor's savvy customers. ®"
Why...
... are all the planned Android phones ugly as hell?
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