Confused.com are not in the position of being a monopoly. So they don't have to. Google are. Anyway you've missed the point - this isn't about Google specifically advertising other people's search engines, it's about their search engine not only returning results concerning their own other products. As a search monopolist, they have a duty to show users non-google alternatives in their search results - such as maps - don't just show google maps, show Bing maps, multimap etc. Otherwise you are using your monopoly to stifle competition in online mapping. Understand now?
Just try building a system around it - hardly any native lenses, having to use adaptors - what about after-market? Flash systems? Wireless remotes? All stuff I use. I'd hate to have to make a lens/accessory collection based on Sony kit. this is one of the many reasons people stick with Canon or Nikon, there's a whole ecosystem surrounding each.
Besides, by the time you've stuck a proper lens on an NEX-7 it's no more pocketable than a DSLR anyway, but it's a lot less balanced. DSLRs have a humongous battery life too and better ergonomics. It's not just about absolute sensor image quality, if you're finding it hard to take photos because the EV isn't good enough to ensure focus or it's too slow to respond to fast moving subjects, or you can't hold the camera properly, you're going to get crap shots anyway. The NEX-7 might be 0.4 of a stop better on high ISO but with the Nikon you just bung on an f/1.4 lens and you've got several stops improvement. One of the reasons you need a big choice of available lenses. Nothing comes close to Nikon in that regard. Each to their own though.
A thousands squids for a compact? The Nikon D300S is just under a grand in the highstreet and it's a semi-pro DSLR, the best APS-C DSLR that Nikon make. I know which I'd rather have. Megapixels mean squat. Electronic viewfinder my arse.
"most people with smartphones I know do like their own tones. I certainly do."
So you've done a survey have you? I've not noticed any custom SMS tones in my office, custom ringtones yes but not custom SMS tones.
"I currently have 7 or 8 custom alerts."
I think we've spotted your problem right there. Hope I don't need to explain.
"I have at least one friend who would take the piss mercilessly (and deservedly, I think) if I paid hundreds for a phone that I could not set whatever sound I like."
You need new mates, possible ones that are less anally retentive.
This has been the case for a couple of years now, well done for catching up, but you lose a point for not mentioning the iPhone does the same and even certain Android phones.
"Insisting on hardware shutter button? (in fairness, sensible)"
You've answered your own point there, good.
"Will they insist soon on the word "Microsoft" replacing "NOKIA" on the front? I'll bet it won't be many months before we see that...."
Right so not having custom SMS tones will be a pain if I'm ever in a meeting, but one with a lot of Microsoft employees, and only if someone receives a message, and everyone hasn't bothered to put their phones on silent?
OK I'll make a note of that in case it ever happens, ROFLMAO!
Yep a Joke OK I get it, very amusing and one I've never heard before (joking). But really, 200 songs represents 13 hours and as I listen to 2 hours a day it takes me a week to get through them all, so it's plenty. And yes I have loads of free space on my phone thanks to Skydrive's free 25GB of cloudspace.
"I spent 5 hours with MS India Tech Assistance trying to get Outlook synced .... and they managed to delete ten year of notes and all calendar entries ...."
Odd, took me ten minutes to install the Hotmail sync adaptor, sync everything to my hotmail account and watch it automatically populate my phone.
"Samsung Note ...... absolutely a great phone"
So wanted to stop reading about here, lol
"the Tiles ( or bricks ) on Win 7.5 are a waste of real estate and increase the number of clicks to complete most tasks"
Eh? tiles are a waste of "real estate" - assuming you mean "screen estate" rather than implying live tiles cause some kind of housing crisis, WTF? Without tiles the start screen would be completely blank.
As for them increasing the number of clicks to do anything.....are you MAD? They do the OPPOSITE. You can pin tiles to the start screen which deep link to most parts of an app, saving you having to start the main app and navigate to that part. They SAVE clicks. Jeez!
There are plenty of different SMS alert tones available, you can't create your own, boo-hoo cry me a river most people don't give a shit.
"can you have a custom alarm tone? No."
Ditto. Pointless.
"can you have a ringtone which is >1mb or >39s? No."
Again, pointless, a bigger ringtone than that would be superfluous as the person on the other end would have hung up by the time it finished playing.
"do you have to use Zune software on your computer? Ergh, yes."
The whole point of using Zune is to intelligently sync your media - setting up sync groups, setlists etc. Sorry but the age of dragging and dropping is long past, it's just not flexible enough. For instance, I have a random setlist which picks 200 random tunes from my collection of 12,000 and when I sync, it put on a different selection every time. To do this by mounting the phone as a drive and dragging/dropping would be a monumental pain in the arse.
All these things you're moaning about are really quite ridiculous. On the other hand, I could moan quite legitimately about Android being a stuttery, CPU-hogging mess.
"Will software you buy now run on a new Lumia in a year or 18 months?"
Unequivocably, yes.
"In a year, will software for the new phones run on a current Lumia?"
Apps written for WP8 will be written using a different framework, so I believe not, no. But then apps written for WP8 will also turn up on Windows 8, as vice-versa, as the code is pretty much portable. So you'll want to get yourself onto WP8 & W8 ASAP. :O)
"Will current Lumias get a free OS upgrade to the next system?"
That is pretty much undeterminable at the moment. Personally I renew my phone every year so it's not an issue for me, but if it's an issue for you, just wait for the official response. Simples. Alternatively, dive in now, be happy with what you've got and stop worrying about the future so much. The Lumia 900 is a great phone running a great OS and with very nearly 100,000 apps to choose from.
"(My main gripe is that I wish they'd make the tiles wrap - sometimes it can be a pain scrolling from one end to the other...)"
If you're at the bottom of the list, press the WINDOWS key and you'll be taken right back to the top. Another tip is to keep your most used tiles at the top, obviously, but your next most used right at the bottom, because it's quicker to spin fast to the bottom than it is to spin more slowly to somewhere in the middle and stop it at the right point. Hence keep your less important tiles in the middle. :O)
"You cant run (for example) a streaming radio program whilst locked on the 900 whereas tuneinpro works just fine on the S2."
The Tunein Radio app continues to stream perfectly under lock on my HTC Titan.
"No wakelock issues on the 900 due to design."
Whenever my Titan wakes, it is locked.
"GPS lock took about 5 seconds outside but a good full minute in the office. S2 took 5s and 10s respectively."
GPS doesn't work without line of sight, what you're talking about is cell-tower location I suspect. On my Titan that was instantaneous, positioning me to within a few yards while it waited indefinitely for satellite line-of-sight.
"Looking up the location of a postcode in maps whilst on a speakerphone call was a chuffing nightmare in the 900, S2 was easy."
While on your call, press WINDOWS button, fire up MAPS app, press SEARCH, type post code, press RETURN, there you go. How is that a Nightmare?
"16Gb is utterly tripe on the 900."
On my Titan I get 16GB internal plus 25GB free Skydrive storage = 41GB.
I don't know why the Nokia 900 you tested can't do the things my Titan can - same OS...
Apple have successfully applied their "Reality Distortion Field" and now normal service has been resumed, i.e. Siri now recommends Apple over the Truth.
The iPad is a PC now is it? Given that it is just a large iPhone without the phone bit, one could then, by logical extension, infer that an iPhone is also a PC, albeit a small one with extra comms capabilities. Going further, we could postulate that if the iPhone is a PC, then so are Android phones & tablets and Window Phone devices. Possibly even Symbian phones.
So you'd be perfectly happy for me to have a look through your diary, your photo collection, your financial records and your collection of love letters? After all, it won't do you any actual harm.
So If I accidentally leave something lying around outside my house, you'd be quite happy to nick it because it's in a public place? Well you are a fine upstanding individual aren't you.
Obviously that DNA *didn't* evolve because evolution can't exist because god made stuff. Therefore all the scientists that observed the evolution of their DNA must have experienced group hallucination, QED.
The mystery of the creation of the Universe is clearly solved by saying god did it. But god is mysterious, but that's ok because we can accept a god being mysterious, it's only mysterious universes we have difficulty with. *coughcough*
You really are talking bollocks. The Nokia Lumia 800 is already the biggest selling device in Nokia's home country of Finland, outselling the iPhone 4S and Samsung Galaxy SII on all carriers. It is predicted to be the biggest selling phone in Russia during 2012. Other countries will follow soon as the Apple/Samsung dominoes topple.
There are 65,000 apps in the app store and it is the fasted growing appstore in the world.
Once the Lumia 900 is out, that will wave its willy everywhere too.
Well imho the best phone should score 100% and the worst should get 0%. Everything in between should then be rated according to how it fares in comparison with the two extremes.
Giving everything 70-80% just because it works OK tells the punter virtually nothing.
Scoring 60% is meaningless if there doesn't exist a single phone that is worse.
If something "truly dire" scores 60-70%, what do you call something that scores 10%?
Are you saying that 10% isn't a valid score? Why not? If a phone is average, shouldn't it score 50%?
If no phone ever scores 100%, then doesn't that make "100%" completely meaningless?
More to the point, if so many phones score 70-80%, how in heck is a consumer supposed to work out which is the one for them. Isn't the point of a score to provide differentiation?
If in a maths exam, the worst possible score was 60% and the best possible was 90%, then you are basically cramming the whole of humanity into a tiny 30% bracket, which seems completely daft.
Surely the very best should get 100% and the worst should get 0%? I'd love to see a chart of the distribution of El Reg review scores. Instead of a nice bell-shaped curve peaking at 50%, I expect we'll see just a huge spike on 70-80% and the rest just blank.
The HTC Hero is up on Amazon for £175. I'm talking about budget phones such as the upcoming Nokia Lumia 610 which analysts speculate will retail for less than £100. Subsequent phones based on Tango should go right down to the £80 or £60 mark fairly quickly.
Budget Android phones are half-baked. Premium Android phones are fully featured. That's why they cost more. Budget Android phones run Angry Birds Lite.
"Do you really think that all the Nokia "featurephone" users are just desperate to buy another Nokia (regardless of how poor the OS is) just because it is Nokia and they are brand loyal?"
Nokia has plenty of brand loyalty globally, they're still selling more phones than anyone else, all they need to do is flip from Symbian/Whatever to WP7 Tango and there you go.
"now Nokia is just a scratching post for the strays."
No, they're the biggest phone vendor in the world.
The revolutionary new "Tango" ... will be poorer, slower, have no compass or camera... so a bit worse than the most basic of phone like the Nokia 5210"
It will be cheaper (what do you mean by "poorer"?), just as fluid as regular Windows Phones...as for the compass/camera, that's conjecture on my part so don't quote me, and I expect different phones will have different gadgets anyway. They will be comparable to Nokia's existing SKUs.
"The could get an android for £60 off contract or free on the most basic contracts with far more features."
I expect Nokia Tango phones to be very competitive against that.
Exactly - this has been the plan all along. The only reason Nokia still makes Symbian and other OS phones is because Tango hasn't been finalized yet - but soon! Real soon!
This is where Nokia and Microsoft's masterstroke comes in. Windows Phone is about to fork into two platforms - the very low-cost platform (enabled by the upcoming "Tango" update) and the higher-value platform ( represented by the current top of the range smartphones like the Lumias).
The low-cost platform will have less memory and less features, for instance perhaps no compass or camera or whatever and a smaller screen. It will also not be able to run all the apps in the marketplace, but a subset of apps which require less resources. This will make the platform competitive with current featurephones.
It is these phones that will be sold by Nokia to replace their current crop of featurephones, thereby converting their 111 Million in sales into smartphone sales of WP7.
Real soon now, you will be seeing WP shooting up to the top of the smartphone OS sales chart.
It is a stroke of genius - watch and learn as it happens. I'll be referring back to this post in a few months' time.
Looks to me like the ARM version of W8 is aimed at people that might have bought an ipad or an android tablet, and the x86 version is aimed at people that might have bought a laptop.
So there's a good choice there - long battery life and low weight at the expense of compatibility/power, or vice versa.
Looking forward to seeing what the OEMs come up with on the ARM side of things - I fancy a lightweight tablet with a detachable keyboard please!
You DO realise you can re-enable the original START menu with a single registry setting, right? Perhaps in the final version you can do so with a ticky box in Control Panel.
"Don't let the truth get in the way of your vitriol"
What is expected to happen is that legacy Windows apps will be ported to run under the METRO GUI, which will then allow them to run on both ARM and X86/64 within the new touch-based GUI. MS is moving away from the old desktop towards METRO and ideally will eventually drop the desktop entirely, I would have thought, but that step is years away.
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Re: chin
Awesome, I put my phone on the desk face down all the time, wouldn't want to see all those pesky notifications after all.
Re: Why does Confused.com
Confused.com are not in the position of being a monopoly. So they don't have to. Google are. Anyway you've missed the point - this isn't about Google specifically advertising other people's search engines, it's about their search engine not only returning results concerning their own other products. As a search monopolist, they have a duty to show users non-google alternatives in their search results - such as maps - don't just show google maps, show Bing maps, multimap etc. Otherwise you are using your monopoly to stifle competition in online mapping. Understand now?
Re: WTF?
Just try building a system around it - hardly any native lenses, having to use adaptors - what about after-market? Flash systems? Wireless remotes? All stuff I use. I'd hate to have to make a lens/accessory collection based on Sony kit. this is one of the many reasons people stick with Canon or Nikon, there's a whole ecosystem surrounding each.
Besides, by the time you've stuck a proper lens on an NEX-7 it's no more pocketable than a DSLR anyway, but it's a lot less balanced. DSLRs have a humongous battery life too and better ergonomics. It's not just about absolute sensor image quality, if you're finding it hard to take photos because the EV isn't good enough to ensure focus or it's too slow to respond to fast moving subjects, or you can't hold the camera properly, you're going to get crap shots anyway. The NEX-7 might be 0.4 of a stop better on high ISO but with the Nikon you just bung on an f/1.4 lens and you've got several stops improvement. One of the reasons you need a big choice of available lenses. Nothing comes close to Nikon in that regard. Each to their own though.
Re: WTF?
I camera is only as good as its glass - the sony has what 8 lenses available for it? 8?
WTF?
A thousands squids for a compact? The Nikon D300S is just under a grand in the highstreet and it's a semi-pro DSLR, the best APS-C DSLR that Nikon make. I know which I'd rather have. Megapixels mean squat. Electronic viewfinder my arse.
Re: Titles are for toffs
At least you didn't have to hold it right.
Re: so
"most people with smartphones I know do like their own tones. I certainly do."
So you've done a survey have you? I've not noticed any custom SMS tones in my office, custom ringtones yes but not custom SMS tones.
"I currently have 7 or 8 custom alerts."
I think we've spotted your problem right there. Hope I don't need to explain.
"I have at least one friend who would take the piss mercilessly (and deservedly, I think) if I paid hundreds for a phone that I could not set whatever sound I like."
You need new mates, possible ones that are less anally retentive.
Re: re: re: Jim Coleman
My entire household use Windows Phone and no we haven't had that problem, but thanks for bringing it to my attention. Oh, ROFLMAO.
Re: Tail wagging the dog?
"Microsoft not permitting SD cards???"
This has been the case for a couple of years now, well done for catching up, but you lose a point for not mentioning the iPhone does the same and even certain Android phones.
"Insisting on hardware shutter button? (in fairness, sensible)"
You've answered your own point there, good.
"Will they insist soon on the word "Microsoft" replacing "NOKIA" on the front? I'll bet it won't be many months before we see that...."
Er, no, actually.
Re: re: Jim Coleman
Right so not having custom SMS tones will be a pain if I'm ever in a meeting, but one with a lot of Microsoft employees, and only if someone receives a message, and everyone hasn't bothered to put their phones on silent?
OK I'll make a note of that in case it ever happens, ROFLMAO!
Re: so
Wait - you didn't realize the World's largest phone maker made phones? Do you get out much?
Re: so @ Jim
Yep a Joke OK I get it, very amusing and one I've never heard before (joking). But really, 200 songs represents 13 hours and as I listen to 2 hours a day it takes me a week to get through them all, so it's plenty. And yes I have loads of free space on my phone thanks to Skydrive's free 25GB of cloudspace.
Re: WinNok is no WinTel .......
"I spent 5 hours with MS India Tech Assistance trying to get Outlook synced .... and they managed to delete ten year of notes and all calendar entries ...."
Odd, took me ten minutes to install the Hotmail sync adaptor, sync everything to my hotmail account and watch it automatically populate my phone.
"Samsung Note ...... absolutely a great phone"
So wanted to stop reading about here, lol
"the Tiles ( or bricks ) on Win 7.5 are a waste of real estate and increase the number of clicks to complete most tasks"
Eh? tiles are a waste of "real estate" - assuming you mean "screen estate" rather than implying live tiles cause some kind of housing crisis, WTF? Without tiles the start screen would be completely blank.
As for them increasing the number of clicks to do anything.....are you MAD? They do the OPPOSITE. You can pin tiles to the start screen which deep link to most parts of an app, saving you having to start the main app and navigate to that part. They SAVE clicks. Jeez!
Re: so
"can you have custom SMS alerts? No."
There are plenty of different SMS alert tones available, you can't create your own, boo-hoo cry me a river most people don't give a shit.
"can you have a custom alarm tone? No."
Ditto. Pointless.
"can you have a ringtone which is >1mb or >39s? No."
Again, pointless, a bigger ringtone than that would be superfluous as the person on the other end would have hung up by the time it finished playing.
"do you have to use Zune software on your computer? Ergh, yes."
The whole point of using Zune is to intelligently sync your media - setting up sync groups, setlists etc. Sorry but the age of dragging and dropping is long past, it's just not flexible enough. For instance, I have a random setlist which picks 200 random tunes from my collection of 12,000 and when I sync, it put on a different selection every time. To do this by mounting the phone as a drive and dragging/dropping would be a monumental pain in the arse.
All these things you're moaning about are really quite ridiculous. On the other hand, I could moan quite legitimately about Android being a stuttery, CPU-hogging mess.
Re: Lots of friends have Nokias ..
"Will software you buy now run on a new Lumia in a year or 18 months?"
Unequivocably, yes.
"In a year, will software for the new phones run on a current Lumia?"
Apps written for WP8 will be written using a different framework, so I believe not, no. But then apps written for WP8 will also turn up on Windows 8, as vice-versa, as the code is pretty much portable. So you'll want to get yourself onto WP8 & W8 ASAP. :O)
"Will current Lumias get a free OS upgrade to the next system?"
That is pretty much undeterminable at the moment. Personally I renew my phone every year so it's not an issue for me, but if it's an issue for you, just wait for the official response. Simples. Alternatively, dive in now, be happy with what you've got and stop worrying about the future so much. The Lumia 900 is a great phone running a great OS and with very nearly 100,000 apps to choose from.
Re: not too bad
"(My main gripe is that I wish they'd make the tiles wrap - sometimes it can be a pain scrolling from one end to the other...)"
If you're at the bottom of the list, press the WINDOWS key and you'll be taken right back to the top. Another tip is to keep your most used tiles at the top, obviously, but your next most used right at the bottom, because it's quicker to spin fast to the bottom than it is to spin more slowly to somewhere in the middle and stop it at the right point. Hence keep your less important tiles in the middle. :O)
Re: not too bad
"You cant run (for example) a streaming radio program whilst locked on the 900 whereas tuneinpro works just fine on the S2."
The Tunein Radio app continues to stream perfectly under lock on my HTC Titan.
"No wakelock issues on the 900 due to design."
Whenever my Titan wakes, it is locked.
"GPS lock took about 5 seconds outside but a good full minute in the office. S2 took 5s and 10s respectively."
GPS doesn't work without line of sight, what you're talking about is cell-tower location I suspect. On my Titan that was instantaneous, positioning me to within a few yards while it waited indefinitely for satellite line-of-sight.
"Looking up the location of a postcode in maps whilst on a speakerphone call was a chuffing nightmare in the 900, S2 was easy."
While on your call, press WINDOWS button, fire up MAPS app, press SEARCH, type post code, press RETURN, there you go. How is that a Nightmare?
"16Gb is utterly tripe on the 900."
On my Titan I get 16GB internal plus 25GB free Skydrive storage = 41GB.
I don't know why the Nokia 900 you tested can't do the things my Titan can - same OS...
Yep
Apple have successfully applied their "Reality Distortion Field" and now normal service has been resumed, i.e. Siri now recommends Apple over the Truth.
Re: iPad?
Sorry? Are you saying that someone who would have bought a PC would now purchase an iPad *instead* of a PC? Really?
I'd argue that the tasks iPad users perform on their devices are far closer to what they do on a smartphone than what they do on a PC.
Didn't Apple themselves admit the iPad was "a completely new class of device"? So....not a PC, then.
iPad?
The iPad is a PC now is it? Given that it is just a large iPhone without the phone bit, one could then, by logical extension, infer that an iPhone is also a PC, albeit a small one with extra comms capabilities. Going further, we could postulate that if the iPhone is a PC, then so are Android phones & tablets and Window Phone devices. Possibly even Symbian phones.
Ipads are PCs? Bollocks.
Re: Just asking
So you'd be perfectly happy for me to have a look through your diary, your photo collection, your financial records and your collection of love letters? After all, it won't do you any actual harm.
Re: No-one sensible has listened to Woz...
Nah, 'cos we're all listening to you now, apparently.
WTF?
So If I accidentally leave something lying around outside my house, you'd be quite happy to nick it because it's in a public place? Well you are a fine upstanding individual aren't you.
This
This is one of many reasons I will never use a Google product again. Android doubly so. Do no evil, my arse.
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Evolution?
Obviously that DNA *didn't* evolve because evolution can't exist because god made stuff. Therefore all the scientists that observed the evolution of their DNA must have experienced group hallucination, QED.
The mystery of the creation of the Universe is clearly solved by saying god did it. But god is mysterious, but that's ok because we can accept a god being mysterious, it's only mysterious universes we have difficulty with. *coughcough*
*tumbleweed*
Re: Its user will be so pleased
You really are talking bollocks. The Nokia Lumia 800 is already the biggest selling device in Nokia's home country of Finland, outselling the iPhone 4S and Samsung Galaxy SII on all carriers. It is predicted to be the biggest selling phone in Russia during 2012. Other countries will follow soon as the Apple/Samsung dominoes topple.
There are 65,000 apps in the app store and it is the fasted growing appstore in the world.
Once the Lumia 900 is out, that will wave its willy everywhere too.
Sorry to piss on your self-importance parade.
Re: Related news.
@Teecee: Oh, really? He made a decent choice.
Wow!
I should be getting all my advice about phone processors from you guys! You know so much more than the phone manufacturers. No, really.
Re: Re: Re: Scores
@AC: Yeah but then everything would be scored as a 3 or 4.
Re: Scores
Well imho the best phone should score 100% and the worst should get 0%. Everything in between should then be rated according to how it fares in comparison with the two extremes.
Giving everything 70-80% just because it works OK tells the punter virtually nothing.
Scoring 60% is meaningless if there doesn't exist a single phone that is worse.
Re: Review scores
If something "truly dire" scores 60-70%, what do you call something that scores 10%?
Are you saying that 10% isn't a valid score? Why not? If a phone is average, shouldn't it score 50%?
If no phone ever scores 100%, then doesn't that make "100%" completely meaningless?
More to the point, if so many phones score 70-80%, how in heck is a consumer supposed to work out which is the one for them. Isn't the point of a score to provide differentiation?
If in a maths exam, the worst possible score was 60% and the best possible was 90%, then you are basically cramming the whole of humanity into a tiny 30% bracket, which seems completely daft.
Well here are the latest El Reg phone reviews...
Apple iPhone 4S - 90%
Samsung Galaxy Nexus - 90%, 85%
Motorola Razr - 85%, 90%
Motorola Motoluxe - 80%
Nokia Asha 201 - 80%
Orange Monte Carlo - 80%
Orange San Francisco 2 - 80%
Mokia Lumia 710 - 80%
LG Optimus 3D - 80%
Nokia Lumia 800 - 70%, 80%
RIM Blackberry Curve 9380 - 75%
Prada Phone by LG 3.0 - 75%
HTC Explorer - 75%
HTC Sensation XL - 75%
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc S - 75%
RIM Blackberry Bold 9790 - 75%
HTC Sensation XE - 75%
Motorola Pro+ - 70%
RIM Blackberry Torch 9860 - 65%
ViewSonic V350 - 60%
Out of 20 reviews, three quarters of them are within the 70-80% bracket.
Why does every phone El Reg reviews score 70-80%?
Surely the very best should get 100% and the worst should get 0%? I'd love to see a chart of the distribution of El Reg review scores. Instead of a nice bell-shaped curve peaking at 50%, I expect we'll see just a huge spike on 70-80% and the rest just blank.
Just sayin'
So if the Orange San Francisco 2 is so fully featured, then what are the differences between it and the "fully featured" Samsung Galaxy S2?
They can't both be fully featured with such a price difference, otherwise Samsung would go bust.
Re: Re: Re: LOL
@AC:
The HTC Hero is up on Amazon for £175. I'm talking about budget phones such as the upcoming Nokia Lumia 610 which analysts speculate will retail for less than £100. Subsequent phones based on Tango should go right down to the £80 or £60 mark fairly quickly.
Re: LOL
@AC:
Budget Android phones are half-baked. Premium Android phones are fully featured. That's why they cost more. Budget Android phones run Angry Birds Lite.
Re: Re: Re: @Jim
@AC:
"Do you really think that all the Nokia "featurephone" users are just desperate to buy another Nokia (regardless of how poor the OS is) just because it is Nokia and they are brand loyal?"
Nokia has plenty of brand loyalty globally, they're still selling more phones than anyone else, all they need to do is flip from Symbian/Whatever to WP7 Tango and there you go.
"now Nokia is just a scratching post for the strays."
No, they're the biggest phone vendor in the world.
The revolutionary new "Tango" ... will be poorer, slower, have no compass or camera... so a bit worse than the most basic of phone like the Nokia 5210"
It will be cheaper (what do you mean by "poorer"?), just as fluid as regular Windows Phones...as for the compass/camera, that's conjecture on my part so don't quote me, and I expect different phones will have different gadgets anyway. They will be comparable to Nokia's existing SKUs.
"The could get an android for £60 off contract or free on the most basic contracts with far more features."
I expect Nokia Tango phones to be very competitive against that.
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@DZ-Jay:
I completely agree - I didn't see a single stat that verified the headline.
Re: @Jim
@AC:
Does this mean you are going to leave out the personal attacks now and get back to the subject matter?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ha Ha Ha
Yeah I'm a snitch, I work for Microsoft and Nokia, and I talk to myself. Oh and I eat babies. Get over it.
Re: Re: Re: Ha Ha Ha
Look if you can't play by El Reg's rules, don't cry like a baby when someone calls you out
Re: Ha Ha Ha
Accusing someone of working for Microsoft breaks Forum Rule 7 - reported.
@AC:
Exactly - this has been the plan all along. The only reason Nokia still makes Symbian and other OS phones is because Tango hasn't been finalized yet - but soon! Real soon!
@jbernado:
This is where Nokia and Microsoft's masterstroke comes in. Windows Phone is about to fork into two platforms - the very low-cost platform (enabled by the upcoming "Tango" update) and the higher-value platform ( represented by the current top of the range smartphones like the Lumias).
The low-cost platform will have less memory and less features, for instance perhaps no compass or camera or whatever and a smaller screen. It will also not be able to run all the apps in the marketplace, but a subset of apps which require less resources. This will make the platform competitive with current featurephones.
It is these phones that will be sold by Nokia to replace their current crop of featurephones, thereby converting their 111 Million in sales into smartphone sales of WP7.
Real soon now, you will be seeing WP shooting up to the top of the smartphone OS sales chart.
It is a stroke of genius - watch and learn as it happens. I'll be referring back to this post in a few months' time.
@L1feless:
"the iPAD touch keyboard is just to damn small for me to type comfortably."
How on Earth would you manage with a phone then?
@BXL:
I suspect iPad users wouldn't want to, their email client and keyboard might be usable as-is. Certainly I don't have those problems on WP7.
But I think your response is fairy typical of Android users.
"This bit of Android is shit!"
"That's OK, you can replace that bit with another bit, Android is so cool"
"Wait - why should I have to?"
"You don't have to! Android is so cool"
"But if I don't, then I have a shit phone! So I DO have to!"
"Android is so cool"
Looks to me like the ARM version of W8 is aimed at people that might have bought an ipad or an android tablet, and the x86 version is aimed at people that might have bought a laptop.
So there's a good choice there - long battery life and low weight at the expense of compatibility/power, or vice versa.
Looking forward to seeing what the OEMs come up with on the ARM side of things - I fancy a lightweight tablet with a detachable keyboard please!
You DO realise you can re-enable the original START menu with a single registry setting, right? Perhaps in the final version you can do so with a ticky box in Control Panel.
"Don't let the truth get in the way of your vitriol"
@pip25:
What is expected to happen is that legacy Windows apps will be ported to run under the METRO GUI, which will then allow them to run on both ARM and X86/64 within the new touch-based GUI. MS is moving away from the old desktop towards METRO and ideally will eventually drop the desktop entirely, I would have thought, but that step is years away.
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