Amid all the ballyhoo and whoop-de-doo about Apple's resurgence being a result of the consecutive successes of the iPod and iPhone — and the promise of the iPad — one Cupertinian money-maker has been flying under the radar: Mac sales have tripled in the past five years.
During the company's recently completed $15.7bn third …
I know what you mean: "it's not apples products, it what happens to the twats who buy them!"
If it's generally considered that only twats fly around in planes would you then take the train to Moscow instead of catching a flight?
Who cares what a bunch of twats people are when they find something better and want to tell everyone else about it. After all that's what twats do, right? You ever found anything you really like about something and wanted to tell people about it? You twat.
Forgive human nature a bit Geoff and don't be ignorant to different/new things because the messengers are unfashionable cheddar cheeses.
So, you know nothing about my business or personal computing requirements, nothing about my lifestyle, nothing about my likes or dislikes, but you're convinced a Mac will suit all these things better than my current carefully honed mix of Windows/Linux/Android, personally chosen by me to suit all of the above?
He's not alone in having a point, but even as someone in my sixth year of Mac use it turns me off when people try to portray the switch as something grander than finding a type of computer with which you are more happy. Even if there were some light to see, it'd surely be that there's choice and that you can think for yourself? Which is a light Geoff's already seen.
It's great as long as you stay on the reservation.
> It's odd, because when I look at the Windows market, all I see
> is countless sheep who go out and unquestioningly buy beige.
> Why do you all do that?
The usual justification for MS-DOS, is that it "runs everything". That can be a pretty compelling argument assuming that it works out. That means for any set of requirements you will find something suitable and functional.
The problem with Macs is that they trade off functionality for usability. Narrow the focus of a problem down enough and it becomes easy to solve. The problem then becomes when you want to do anything beyond that narrowly redefined version of the problem.
THAT is where the Mac fanboy herd menality comes in. It's at this point where you start to see a cultish sort of attempt to shout down dissent.
> Your anti-elitism stand has become the new elitism. Apple
> users are so fiercely loyal because most have used the
> alternatives and made the choice to stick with Macs because
> they like them better. Most Apple haters haven't used Macs for
> any length of time and are arguing out of a position of ignorance
> on what the platform has to offer. It's like describing the color
A minimum "buy in" of $700 certainly doesn't help that any.
You've got to be a serious gadget geek with money to burn to buy a Mac to casually play with. So generally, anyone that has a Mac will be the "converted and the faithful". So naturally that leads to very skewed observations when it comes to the platform.
Also, you have the problem of varying requirements and the likelihood that a lot of us with reason to pick Macs apart have more interesting requirements or some precise notion of how things should be done (rather than being satisifed with the choice presented).
> The problem with Macs is that they trade off functionality for usability.
That is absolute rubbish typical of someone who has little or no experience of using Macs. Usability and functionality are not mutually exclusive, all though that's a commonly held view by Linux-tards like yourself used to software who's full power can only be accessed by running it from the command line with a never ending string of arcanely named options.
One of the things that make the Mac user experience so good is precisely that the OS and most of the software that runs on it is so usable and intuitive and yet still has all the functionality (or even more) that its Linux or Windows equivalents.
>when people try to portray the switch as something grander than finding a type of computer with which you are more happy.
The very fact that people are switching in ever greater numbers from Windows to Mac and that people switching the other way are as rare as rocking horse droppings shows that there is a "light" to be seen.
I suggest that if your skin is so thin, and that these phrases cause such hatred, that you see a doctor as soon as possible, he will recommend either a course of treatment or refer you to a suitable professional. If the comments in The Register effect you so much that it will sway your decision about buying a better technology platform, then you should perhaps seek help sooner. I'm not a doctor but if I was you I'd stay away from the world wide web, as there are far worse things out there than people who like Apple products.
Could be a reason why Google is still the default search engine on Apple iStuff. Google keeps buying loads of Macs, Google stays default, simples. Despite the Android/iPhone bitch fest.
I really find the zealotry of "converts" quite irritating... it's like listening to born-again Christians or ex-smokers going on about how their lives have changed. Seriously, who gives a shit?
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Hey Geoff!
I know what you mean: "it's not apples products, it what happens to the twats who buy them!"
If it's generally considered that only twats fly around in planes would you then take the train to Moscow instead of catching a flight?
Who cares what a bunch of twats people are when they find something better and want to tell everyone else about it. After all that's what twats do, right? You ever found anything you really like about something and wanted to tell people about it? You twat.
Forgive human nature a bit Geoff and don't be ignorant to different/new things because the messengers are unfashionable cheddar cheeses.
re
"Since this is a common phrase used by Windows to Mac switchers"
Of course it is a common phrase. Mac users by definition have no ability to think on their own, so they follow the ideas of the herd.
@B 9
So, you know nothing about my business or personal computing requirements, nothing about my lifestyle, nothing about my likes or dislikes, but you're convinced a Mac will suit all these things better than my current carefully honed mix of Windows/Linux/Android, personally chosen by me to suit all of the above?
Wow. Do you have next weeks lottery numbers, too?
GJC
Human nature.
Human nature has nothing to do with my computing requirements, but thanks anyway :-)
GJC
Geoff has a point
He's not alone in having a point, but even as someone in my sixth year of Mac use it turns me off when people try to portray the switch as something grander than finding a type of computer with which you are more happy. Even if there were some light to see, it'd surely be that there's choice and that you can think for yourself? Which is a light Geoff's already seen.
@Bullseyed
"Mac users by definition have no ability to think on their own, so they follow the ideas of the herd"
It's odd, because when I look at the Windows market, all I see is countless sheep who go out and unquestioningly buy beige. Why do you all do that?
Some kind of hive-mind at work?
@ThomH
Spot on, well written.
GJC
It's great as long as you stay on the reservation.
> It's odd, because when I look at the Windows market, all I see
> is countless sheep who go out and unquestioningly buy beige.
> Why do you all do that?
The usual justification for MS-DOS, is that it "runs everything". That can be a pretty compelling argument assuming that it works out. That means for any set of requirements you will find something suitable and functional.
The problem with Macs is that they trade off functionality for usability. Narrow the focus of a problem down enough and it becomes easy to solve. The problem then becomes when you want to do anything beyond that narrowly redefined version of the problem.
THAT is where the Mac fanboy herd menality comes in. It's at this point where you start to see a cultish sort of attempt to shout down dissent.
Skeptics are not welcome.
> Your anti-elitism stand has become the new elitism. Apple
> users are so fiercely loyal because most have used the
> alternatives and made the choice to stick with Macs because
> they like them better. Most Apple haters haven't used Macs for
> any length of time and are arguing out of a position of ignorance
> on what the platform has to offer. It's like describing the color
A minimum "buy in" of $700 certainly doesn't help that any.
You've got to be a serious gadget geek with money to burn to buy a Mac to casually play with. So generally, anyone that has a Mac will be the "converted and the faithful". So naturally that leads to very skewed observations when it comes to the platform.
Also, you have the problem of varying requirements and the likelihood that a lot of us with reason to pick Macs apart have more interesting requirements or some precise notion of how things should be done (rather than being satisifed with the choice presented).
Mac Myth #1
> The problem with Macs is that they trade off functionality for usability.
That is absolute rubbish typical of someone who has little or no experience of using Macs. Usability and functionality are not mutually exclusive, all though that's a commonly held view by Linux-tards like yourself used to software who's full power can only be accessed by running it from the command line with a never ending string of arcanely named options.
One of the things that make the Mac user experience so good is precisely that the OS and most of the software that runs on it is so usable and intuitive and yet still has all the functionality (or even more) that its Linux or Windows equivalents.
Seeing the light
>when people try to portray the switch as something grander than finding a type of computer with which you are more happy.
The very fact that people are switching in ever greater numbers from Windows to Mac and that people switching the other way are as rare as rocking horse droppings shows that there is a "light" to be seen.
Baaaaaaa
the flocks are getting bigger baaaaaaaa
Dear Geoff Campbell
I suggest that if your skin is so thin, and that these phrases cause such hatred, that you see a doctor as soon as possible, he will recommend either a course of treatment or refer you to a suitable professional. If the comments in The Register effect you so much that it will sway your decision about buying a better technology platform, then you should perhaps seek help sooner. I'm not a doctor but if I was you I'd stay away from the world wide web, as there are far worse things out there than people who like Apple products.
Most kind of you
Thank you for thinking of my well-being, however I may have lead you astray slightly with somewhat ambiguous wording.
I hate no-one, and particularly not on the basis of their technology-buying choices. What would be the point? I do, however, know of others who do.
GJC
I think the most amusing thing about Apple users...
...is that their posts read like a text book on intellectual fallacies. So many examples of fallacious logic all in one place. It is astounding.
The most amusing thing about Bullseyed...
... is definitely his pretend concern about logical fallacies in a post that contains a generalisation so broad that it couldn't be true of any group.
Must be Google...
buying loads Macs now they have dumped Windows.
Could be a reason why Google is still the default search engine on Apple iStuff. Google keeps buying loads of Macs, Google stays default, simples. Despite the Android/iPhone bitch fest.
As a long-time Mac user...
I really find the zealotry of "converts" quite irritating... it's like listening to born-again Christians or ex-smokers going on about how their lives have changed. Seriously, who gives a shit?
Dru Richman
Those slow IBM cpu's that run at 5.0 GHz??
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