Apple has sold more than 4m iPhones since the handset was launched in June 2007, CEO Steve Jobs said today - an average of 20,000 a day, he said. That was a prelude to the announcement of the phone's latest firmware - and one for the iPod Touch that comes at a price
Unfortunately, the Macworld keynote was short on up-to-date …
Lots of people are complaining that their apps dont' appear after update. This is most likely because you're manually syncing your music. Apparently you must auto-sync your music (and lose whatever is on your ipod) to get the updated software.
I enjoy winding up Webster as much as the next guy but come on ElReg, you could update your story to indicate the minor detail that it's enabling the new features for your "old" Touch they want the money for, not firmware updates per se. Firmware updates remain free (as they bloody well should).
People: Update != upgrade. When talking about computers the latter implies the former but not necessarily the other way around etc. Different words. Go find a book and study a bit.
And I agree with Simon the mail app is rather nice and worth the price by itself.
Creative is not a publicly traded company and is incorporated in Singapore in 1981 anyway. None publicly traded companies do not have to comply with SOX.
Sony Corporation of America, based in New York City, is the U.S. subsidiary of Sony Corporation, headquartered in Tokyo, Japan.
Oh my mistake Nokia is headquartered in Finland and is a Finnish Corporation, the Nokia Mobil Handset Group is in Sweden.
Apple, Microsoft, GE, Ford, General Motors, ... all have offices and are incorporated in most major countries around the world, They are U.S. Multinational Corporations, SOX fully applies to these corporations.
Sony, Nokia, LG, Fuji, Mitsubishi, RBS, Toyota, Honda... all have offices and are incorporated in the U.S., but are non-U.S. multinational Corporations based outside the U.S. SOX does not fully apply to these corporations.
Microsoft service packs are bug fixes they do not add substantial new features.
I can honestly say that US Software Corporations are not likely to add any substantial new features to bug fixes so, that they can charge customers for the updates, it would be a load of crap to think or even claim that was the case.
If you do not buy the update for the iPod Touch it will still get bug fixes (it's called Software Branching and code management). Apple doesn't want to charge for these types of updates, no company does and Non-U.S. Multinational Companies don't have too, U.S. Multinational companies on the other hand do, because if they don't charge they will run a fowl of SOX accounting rules and risk big fines.
"Nokia, Sony and Nintendo are all publicly traded companies, just like
Apple. Ever think that Apple is using the interpretation of SOX as an excuse to charge?"
Apple is an American company, Nokia is European and Sony & Nintendo are Japanese. SarBox generally applies to US firms, and in a much lighter way to overseas firms.
1. Iphone, itunes and apple tv have free upgrades. ipod touch hasn't.
2. Mac os x tiger to leopard full upgrade (300 applications never used before) costs $10. ipod touch upgrade (only 5 applications, 4 already used by iphone) $20.
3. If apple dont want to develop software free, progammers from around the world like me want to do it, like hackers do it with jailbreak. Even though, i don't expect that sdk will be free.
4. New ipod touches have the 5 applications free, why do i have to pay for them if i bought the touch 3 weeks ago? what's the difference, the time?. Sorry for bought in christmas, i though it was a good gift.
5. The problem is not the money, sure we all can pay that. We support Apple when some bugs appear sending mails to the company so they can build better devices with software. This is the way of them to say thanks.
I can say 5 more but i think you get the idea. I was saving money for a macbook pro, maybe i'll wait a few years more or maybe it's the time to say goodbye to Apple. they took a bad direction the last 3 years, it seems that they dont want to chage the course.
"Because the SEC said if they gave it away they would be in violation of Sarbanes-Oxley Act rules. Apple ended up paying a fine because the SEC didn't think the $9.95 was fair market value for the update."
You can, of course, back that up with a web link to the news story that must have happened? Or shall we assume that you're just FOS. Or maybe S-O hearings must be held in secret. That must be it, along with other magic rules that say an iPod Touch isn't a new product, but an iPhone is (even though SJ launched it with the line "the best IPod we've ever made").
So also I can expect to be charged for the 10.5.2 update, which will be required to turn on time capsule (as Time Machine won't work wirelessly currently)? Or is there some other magic rule that means we'll be alright for that? And since when did the SEC start evaluating 'fair market value' for goods and services?
The ironic thing is, that if I were SJ, and I *knew* I was going to have to charge $20 for a few measly updates to the ipod touch - I wouldn't have bothered. The bad feeling over charging more than outweighs the 'new' features. People buying it knew there was a functionality gap to the iPhone, and accepted it.
I've had to listen for years to morons tell that Apple is better because it doesn't crash, does their washing up, etc and then advising them how to complain about the discrimination that's in their own heads.
Looks like good ol' Steve, the so called underdog whom Mac fanciers would have you believe has the consumer's best interests at heart has taken a leaf out of that other greedy American billionaire's handbook, one Mr William Gates.
Ah well, whenh he expands this practice to the whole of the iPod range I will go to the nearest Apple store and protest loudly.
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Apple has sold more than 4m iPhones since the handset was launched in June 2007, CEO Steve Jobs said today - an average of 20,000 a day, he said. That was a prelude to the announcement of the phone's latest firmware - and one for the iPod Touch that comes at a price Unfortunately, the Macworld keynote was short on up-to-date …
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Lots of people are complaining that their apps dont' appear after update. This is most likely because you're manually syncing your music. Apparently you must auto-sync your music (and lose whatever is on your ipod) to get the updated software.
I think Apple hates me
Not only charging for what most companies consider a free update, but charging more to UK customers than US ones?
It's bullshit like this that made me vow never to buy another Apple product after my 3G iPod.
And did I mention I'm SO ANGRY!!!1!
I enjoy winding up Webster as much as the next guy but come on ElReg, you could update your story to indicate the minor detail that it's enabling the new features for your "old" Touch they want the money for, not firmware updates per se. Firmware updates remain free (as they bloody well should).
People: Update != upgrade. When talking about computers the latter implies the former but not necessarily the other way around etc. Different words. Go find a book and study a bit.
And I agree with Simon the mail app is rather nice and worth the price by itself.
In closing these are the facts.
Creative is not a publicly traded company and is incorporated in Singapore in 1981 anyway. None publicly traded companies do not have to comply with SOX.
Sony Corporation of America, based in New York City, is the U.S. subsidiary of Sony Corporation, headquartered in Tokyo, Japan.
Oh my mistake Nokia is headquartered in Finland and is a Finnish Corporation, the Nokia Mobil Handset Group is in Sweden.
Apple, Microsoft, GE, Ford, General Motors, ... all have offices and are incorporated in most major countries around the world, They are U.S. Multinational Corporations, SOX fully applies to these corporations.
Sony, Nokia, LG, Fuji, Mitsubishi, RBS, Toyota, Honda... all have offices and are incorporated in the U.S., but are non-U.S. multinational Corporations based outside the U.S. SOX does not fully apply to these corporations.
Microsoft service packs are bug fixes they do not add substantial new features.
I can honestly say that US Software Corporations are not likely to add any substantial new features to bug fixes so, that they can charge customers for the updates, it would be a load of crap to think or even claim that was the case.
If you do not buy the update for the iPod Touch it will still get bug fixes (it's called Software Branching and code management). Apple doesn't want to charge for these types of updates, no company does and Non-U.S. Multinational Companies don't have too, U.S. Multinational companies on the other hand do, because if they don't charge they will run a fowl of SOX accounting rules and risk big fines.
US vs Rest of the World
"Nokia, Sony and Nintendo are all publicly traded companies, just like
Apple. Ever think that Apple is using the interpretation of SOX as an excuse to charge?"
Apple is an American company, Nokia is European and Sony & Nintendo are Japanese. SarBox generally applies to US firms, and in a much lighter way to overseas firms.
5 good reasons
This time, is bad from every point of view.
1. Iphone, itunes and apple tv have free upgrades. ipod touch hasn't.
2. Mac os x tiger to leopard full upgrade (300 applications never used before) costs $10. ipod touch upgrade (only 5 applications, 4 already used by iphone) $20.
3. If apple dont want to develop software free, progammers from around the world like me want to do it, like hackers do it with jailbreak. Even though, i don't expect that sdk will be free.
4. New ipod touches have the 5 applications free, why do i have to pay for them if i bought the touch 3 weeks ago? what's the difference, the time?. Sorry for bought in christmas, i though it was a good gift.
5. The problem is not the money, sure we all can pay that. We support Apple when some bugs appear sending mails to the company so they can build better devices with software. This is the way of them to say thanks.
I can say 5 more but i think you get the idea. I was saving money for a macbook pro, maybe i'll wait a few years more or maybe it's the time to say goodbye to Apple. they took a bad direction the last 3 years, it seems that they dont want to chage the course.
@Demon: Huh?
So pray tell, how come the Apple TV "Take 2" firmware is a *FREE* download for *all existing customers* ?
Sarbanes-Oxley my arse!
Apple TV
"So pray tell, how come the Apple TV "Take 2" firmware is a *FREE* download for *all existing customers*?"
How long has Apple TV been around? Less than 2 years? No SarBox problem.
ORLY?
@Demon:
"Because the SEC said if they gave it away they would be in violation of Sarbanes-Oxley Act rules. Apple ended up paying a fine because the SEC didn't think the $9.95 was fair market value for the update."
You can, of course, back that up with a web link to the news story that must have happened? Or shall we assume that you're just FOS. Or maybe S-O hearings must be held in secret. That must be it, along with other magic rules that say an iPod Touch isn't a new product, but an iPhone is (even though SJ launched it with the line "the best IPod we've ever made").
So also I can expect to be charged for the 10.5.2 update, which will be required to turn on time capsule (as Time Machine won't work wirelessly currently)? Or is there some other magic rule that means we'll be alright for that? And since when did the SEC start evaluating 'fair market value' for goods and services?
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wireless/accountants-say-apples-199-80211n-tax-is-bogus-230538.php
The ironic thing is, that if I were SJ, and I *knew* I was going to have to charge $20 for a few measly updates to the ipod touch - I wouldn't have bothered. The bad feeling over charging more than outweighs the 'new' features. People buying it knew there was a functionality gap to the iPhone, and accepted it.
Apple Computer is the new Microsoft
£13 for a firmware upgrade!!!
I've had to listen for years to morons tell that Apple is better because it doesn't crash, does their washing up, etc and then advising them how to complain about the discrimination that's in their own heads.
Looks like good ol' Steve, the so called underdog whom Mac fanciers would have you believe has the consumer's best interests at heart has taken a leaf out of that other greedy American billionaire's handbook, one Mr William Gates.
Ah well, whenh he expands this practice to the whole of the iPod range I will go to the nearest Apple store and protest loudly.
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