Apple's recently released 10.5.7 update to Mac OS X is bringing grief to a goodly number of unfortunate souls.
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The blue screen when rebooting was kind of worrying, but everything worked after I forced a shutdown. Graphics issues with the 9400M are sadly nothing new.
So lets see to get to any and all options for Windows for bootup options its F8 not shift for one mode Command+S for another mode, shove a finger up my ass and put my nuts in a vice for another options. But yet again the *nix, OSX fanbois/girls will be crying about how good their systems are and everything they can do to fix all the worlds ills.
I don't personally care which OS i use so long as it gets the job done for the task at hand.
Gaming = Windows (dont tell me their are tons of games out for OSX or *nix)
Ran the upgrades to all my Macs here with no issues. Had a couple calls from previous co-workers with a couple minor hiccups but really nothing went sideways for me or any of the people I'm still in touch with.
Eek!! I know MacOS is technically based on BSD, but....
...well, about 15-20 years back there was a movie called "Misery" about an author abducted by a psychotic fan. When he tries to escape she ties him to his bed, puts a big block of wood between his lower calves and smashes both his ankles in with a sledge hammer so he can't run off again...
...that is more-or-less what Apple has done to their "*nix" so it really irks me when people group MacOS in with the real *nixes :-(
(Having to keep MacOS desktops working on our large mixed environment also irks me - Apple spent months in our server room trying to get it right while we refused to pay them until it was. In the end they gave up and put a Windows server in 'temporarily'.)
Why is this OS having so many problem? Its not like they have to test their software on thousands of weird configurations with ancient applications, odd drivers and a bunch of other factor.... Yet windows experiences very few problems during install (Maybe a driver hangup or two, but you can't expect that every fucking driver on the planet can be crammed onto a single DVD)
This is why mac lusers should try a decent OS like linux, or even Windows, where you learn to do things that are useful instead of just clicking on one of apple's preinstalled proprietary applications.
I want a second icon, so I can use the Linux one too...
The best way to upgrade without issues is to download the combo updater and install this rather than the item downloaded through the software update application.
Problems after installing the combo update are uncommon.
Say what you want about the Mac, but the Mac black screen of death is just so much more stylish than the Windows BSOD. I mean that blue is just SO 2000
Microsoft should jump on this for an ad campaign. After all Windows is perfect.
@ James O', giving the average Windows user a choice of keys for boot up options would only confuse them.
No I don't use OSX or any Apple products. XP for games & Cubase. Ubuntu, Debian, OpenBSD for everything else. If Apple products were around half of their current retail prices I might consider taking them seriously, even if they do break every time the OS is updated. ;-)
Crash different! -Should be the slogan after I experienced issues with my own mac. No I do not use weird 3rd party apps but Apple's own software. Still at least it looks pretty whilst it crashes unlike a Dell.
With the phletora of hardware configurations, third party software, motherboards/graphics cards options from multiple vendors such things are bound to happen - oh wait.
Sorry I forgot: One Apple to rule'em all, one Apple to create'n'sell them.
Glitches could be expected on a <cough> hackintosh <cough> but on a Designed in Californica Apple? WTF?
So you are taking the piss because "safe" mode is entered by holding the shift key at boot, and getting a command line is achieved by holding down command-s. Are you really trying to say that Windows is better because you have to press F8 and select an item on a list? Is remembering key combinations too much for you tiny gamers brain? Tool.
No problems for me. Makes me wonder what 3rd party software people are running to have theses problems.
Who would have guessed that CrApple would screw up an update for their great and gloriously perfect OS that never crashes. I must admit I never saw that coming at all!
"It just works" - my fat, hairy, unwashed arse it does.
And to the editors, please get it right. They are Apple fannibois.
Paris because according to her people she has gone down less often than a Mac updated with the last two updates from Apple.
Apple suggests that if you ARE having "slight" problems with the new software, you should simply THROW AWAY your 8-month old Apple and buy a BRAND NEW SHINY ONE which will work FLAWLESSLY.
What the hell is Apple doing with "KERNAL"? KERNAL was Commodore's name for the ROM-resident operating system core in its 8-bit home computers - might explain a lot about Apple's resistance to modern viruses. ^_^
Been using PCs since GEM desktop days, worked on *Nix for most of my career, I have a Mac, it's fantastic piece of kit, but I love it just the same.
Jebus H, I can't stand Apple's sanctimonious attitude! They think they are so fecking great, with their metrosexual, khaki-cargo-pant wearing demographic, who will s**k the **** of Jobs whenever he demands it!
I will say this one more time you fecking Apple fanbois....IT'S A TOOL (like you!) NOT A FECKING LIFESTYLE CHOICE!!!!!!!
Let me say it once more, I HAVE A MAC AND I LIKE IT! It has problems, it is no worse or better than Windows, KDE, Gnome, BSD, Linux, Amiga even Atari GEM Desktop!!!!!!
Arrggghhhhh!!!!!
(Flame icon as I my head catch fire I get any more angry with my sanctimonious, so called Apple using brethren! )
"Problems after installing the combo update are uncommon." - It crashed two of my machines, I had to use it because the built in updater stalled at about 2%. My Buffalo USB drive has now stopped working.
This is NOT a valid excuse for any OS, linux,windows or OSX. They al have 32rd party programs installed on them and should be able to account for that, the only time this would be valid was if the 3rd party program was replacing system files, but in that case why were they able to do that in the first place!
a small percentage of OS X user had troubles with the update, but the internet media blew it all out of proportion because it was OS X. and then all the pc-trolls out there get on their soapbox and start shouting about how finally they've found proof that OS X is just as rubbish as their OS of choice, when in fact, the vast majority of users have no problem at all with the upgrade.
unlike windoze, where if there is a problem with their service pack, it seems to affect most users
With any operating system there is a small chance of an upgrade doing unpredictable things - it could be Windows, MacOS, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, TOS, whatever, these things happen.
What matters is whether the company concerned acknowledges any errors, posts fixes, workarounds or if they just turtle and let "the community" sort things for the hapless users.
See, this is why I enjoy El Reg. The commentary on either Apple or This Old Box or stories about willies...all bring a "One Foot in the Grave" feel...I just know it's coming and yet I have to keep watching.
"Oh, I dooon't BELIEVE it!"
Cheers by the way, the update was lovely thanks.
And being a app minder daytimes, I do enjoy some eyecandy in my hometimes. ...
One of those 'oh fekkin arse I'm still a fekkin written in fekkin Visual Basic fekkin sold globally how can that fekkin happen' app minder....
mmm Leopard eyecandy..oo look at that Expose...shucks and you can spot my Aunty's face in a crowded photo?
Oh, stop it. And you run faster on the same hardware than the previous version. See, this is why I still come home nights.
OSX worked 1st time no problems then updated the beta of safari as well again no problems. Just thought I'd mention it.
And in the interests of being impartial, Not had any problems with my Vista upgrades either. I use both OS depending on what I want to do with my computer.
Because after nearly 15 years working with Windows systems, I realised that I'd be better off ditching them for ANYTHING else. I was even considering getting a Sun!!!
OK, if once every couple of months you have to boot into safe mode then you're laughing.
Do you know how many times I had to boot into safe mode on any single one of my PCs? I lost count. One of mine BSODd the first time I plugged my USB scanner in FFS.
Besides which, having a unix OS (and yes it is, under the hood) is much better than having some ad-hoc POS.
I'll just say one word to all the MS fantards out there - "REGISTRY" mwah ha ha ha!
No probs at all. Infact never had a problem with ANY update.
It just works - but statistically there will be some that fail.
Strange - in the 8 years since I purchased my angle poise iMac, I have only had two major crashes (one where I powered off an external hard drive by accident), none caused by updates!
So a very small number of people that have played about with their Macs have had problems... the vast majority have had no problems whatsover.... so yet again a non-event. Most of these comments seem to have come from people who wouldn't know a Mac if it bit them on the backside.
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Posted Wednesday 13th May 2009 21:09 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Mac's version of the Blue Screen of Death #
Oh dear god it's contagious! NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!1!!11
Posted Wednesday 13th May 2009 21:09 GMT
Andy
I've had most of those #
The blue screen when rebooting was kind of worrying, but everything worked after I forced a shutdown. Graphics issues with the 9400M are sadly nothing new.
Posted Wednesday 13th May 2009 21:09 GMT
Eeep !
Just title it: "fsck" means "fuck" #
Why did you even bother ?
Posted Wednesday 13th May 2009 21:24 GMT
James O'Brien
YAY!!!!!11oneone #
So lets see to get to any and all options for Windows for bootup options its F8 not shift for one mode Command+S for another mode, shove a finger up my ass and put my nuts in a vice for another options. But yet again the *nix, OSX fanbois/girls will be crying about how good their systems are and everything they can do to fix all the worlds ills.
I don't personally care which OS i use so long as it gets the job done for the task at hand.
Gaming = Windows (dont tell me their are tons of games out for OSX or *nix)
Doing something shady = *nix
Looking like a total twat = OSX
Flames because you know they are coming.
Posted Wednesday 13th May 2009 21:24 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Meh #
Ran the upgrades to all my Macs here with no issues. Had a couple calls from previous co-workers with a couple minor hiccups but really nothing went sideways for me or any of the people I'm still in touch with.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Surely the big reason for a Mac #
is it just works - or so the Mac fans keep telling me!
next they'll be telling us they can after all click on a phising link and be taken in as OS X gives them no special powers after all :-P
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
LaeMi Qian
@James O'Brien #
Eek!! I know MacOS is technically based on BSD, but....
...well, about 15-20 years back there was a movie called "Misery" about an author abducted by a psychotic fan. When he tries to escape she ties him to his bed, puts a big block of wood between his lower calves and smashes both his ankles in with a sledge hammer so he can't run off again...
...that is more-or-less what Apple has done to their "*nix" so it really irks me when people group MacOS in with the real *nixes :-(
(Having to keep MacOS desktops working on our large mixed environment also irks me - Apple spent months in our server room trying to get it right while we refused to pay them until it was. In the end they gave up and put a Windows server in 'temporarily'.)
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Christopher Ahrens
@YAY!!!!!11oneone #
Finally someone else agrees with me...
Why is this OS having so many problem? Its not like they have to test their software on thousands of weird configurations with ancient applications, odd drivers and a bunch of other factor.... Yet windows experiences very few problems during install (Maybe a driver hangup or two, but you can't expect that every fucking driver on the planet can be crammed onto a single DVD)
Don't mind me, just throw more fuel on the fire
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
"If you're not familiar with the command line" #
This is why mac lusers should try a decent OS like linux, or even Windows, where you learn to do things that are useful instead of just clicking on one of apple's preinstalled proprietary applications.
I want a second icon, so I can use the Linux one too...
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Eric Hood
Installer #
The best way to upgrade without issues is to download the combo updater and install this rather than the item downloaded through the software update application.
Problems after installing the combo update are uncommon.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Robert Moore
Mac's version of the Blue Screen of Death #
Say what you want about the Mac, but the Mac black screen of death is just so much more stylish than the Windows BSOD. I mean that blue is just SO 2000
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
but the Mac guy on TV said #
...but the Mac guy on TV said it was easy, and you never need to update your MAc !!! wtf ??!!
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
@James O"Brien #
I've made a new years resolution to not feed the trolls, so I'll refrain from pointing out what ignorant twat you are. Instead I'll simply say, ODFO.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
adnim
Perhaps #
Microsoft should jump on this for an ad campaign. After all Windows is perfect.
@ James O', giving the average Windows user a choice of keys for boot up options would only confuse them.
No I don't use OSX or any Apple products. XP for games & Cubase. Ubuntu, Debian, OpenBSD for everything else. If Apple products were around half of their current retail prices I might consider taking them seriously, even if they do break every time the OS is updated. ;-)
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Update stats #
Problems in past 6 months with Apple update service: 4
Time spent repairing: 24 man hours
Problems in past 6 months with a certain Linux distro's update service: 1
Time spent repairing: 1 hour
Problems in past 6 months with MS update service: 0
Time spent in pub: 24 hours*
Just about says it all.
*OK, I lie. I wasn't in the pub, I was doing 'other' Win32 specific support calls thus rendering this entire 'study' pointless
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Ted Treen
@James O'Brien #
You don't need OSX to make you look like a total twat, old lad - it appears Mother Nature got there first...
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
B Ward
It just works! #
Crash different! -Should be the slogan after I experienced issues with my own mac. No I do not use weird 3rd party apps but Apple's own software. Still at least it looks pretty whilst it crashes unlike a Dell.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Combo or Update? #
Some issues seem to have been resolved using Combo download rather than Software Update
(Note to self: try combo download next time?)
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
ffrankmccaffery
Bsod icon #
Didnt the mac have an icon for windows with a bsod error message?
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
jai
re: YAY!!!!!11oneone #
really Mr O'Brien, is that the best you can do? epic fail
bring back Webster Phreaky, at least that dude but some thought and effort into his trollin'
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Cut Apple some slack.. #
With the phletora of hardware configurations, third party software, motherboards/graphics cards options from multiple vendors such things are bound to happen - oh wait.
Sorry I forgot: One Apple to rule'em all, one Apple to create'n'sell them.
Glitches could be expected on a <cough> hackintosh <cough> but on a Designed in Californica Apple? WTF?
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
Anonymous Coward
@O'Brien #
So you are taking the piss because "safe" mode is entered by holding the shift key at boot, and getting a command line is achieved by holding down command-s. Are you really trying to say that Windows is better because you have to press F8 and select an item on a list? Is remembering key combinations too much for you tiny gamers brain? Tool.
No problems for me. Makes me wonder what 3rd party software people are running to have theses problems.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 00:27 GMT
s. pam
Upgrade worked flawlessly #
Booted my Macbook Pro in Safe Mode (hold Shift key when rebooting/booting up), logged in as root and downloaded/installed.
Worked a treat, everything is just as it was before no worries. Tastes Great, less filling, no worries.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 01:09 GMT
Justin Clements
not like SP ever screw up now... #
Seriously people, its not like a Windows Service Pack ever screws up, or whatever Linux does a package in during an update is it now?
The only real issue today was the 449M download, but after that it installed perfectly on my Macbook. Quick reboot and we were cooking with fat again.
As for all the bullshit about MacOS X not being a real unix, get a grip ffs. Anyone who can say that needs a girlfriend and a good hard shag.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 03:58 GMT
vincent himpe
wtf ? shouldn't that be a green screen ? #
maybe its a screen with a turtleneck..
[submarine icon] because apple computers and their os are as useful as a screen door on a .. well you know ..
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 03:58 GMT
Nordrick Framelhammer
CrApple strikes again #
Who would have guessed that CrApple would screw up an update for their great and gloriously perfect OS that never crashes. I must admit I never saw that coming at all!
"It just works" - my fat, hairy, unwashed arse it does.
And to the editors, please get it right. They are Apple fannibois.
Paris because according to her people she has gone down less often than a Mac updated with the last two updates from Apple.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 03:58 GMT
Adrian Esdaile
Apple is perfect #
Unlike the bug-fest that is Microsloth Winslows,
APPLE IS PERFECT!
IT IS YOUR REALITY THAT IS AT FAULT!
Apple suggests that if you ARE having "slight" problems with the new software, you should simply THROW AWAY your 8-month old Apple and buy a BRAND NEW SHINY ONE which will work FLAWLESSLY.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 03:58 GMT
Ted
Another great update... #
I'm up to 14 macs updated and nary a problem... another great update!
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Neoc
And talking of fsck-up... #
What the hell is Apple doing with "KERNAL"? KERNAL was Commodore's name for the ROM-resident operating system core in its 8-bit home computers - might explain a lot about Apple's resistance to modern viruses. ^_^
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Daniel Pimley
Perfect #
20+ OS upgrades on 4 Macs over the last 5 years and I have never had a single problem.
And yes, I do know how to use the shell.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Pavlovs well trained dog
have done several macs, some new, some (very) old #
All worked 100% fine.
Every worked as advertised. Speed seems better too.
On the other hand, had to apply MS Orifice 2007 SP2 to some windoze matcheens and without exception they all vomited at some point.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
The Fuzzy Wotnot
Why I hate Apple ( even though I own one!)!!!! #
Been using PCs since GEM desktop days, worked on *Nix for most of my career, I have a Mac, it's fantastic piece of kit, but I love it just the same.
Jebus H, I can't stand Apple's sanctimonious attitude! They think they are so fecking great, with their metrosexual, khaki-cargo-pant wearing demographic, who will s**k the **** of Jobs whenever he demands it!
I will say this one more time you fecking Apple fanbois....IT'S A TOOL (like you!) NOT A FECKING LIFESTYLE CHOICE!!!!!!!
Let me say it once more, I HAVE A MAC AND I LIKE IT! It has problems, it is no worse or better than Windows, KDE, Gnome, BSD, Linux, Amiga even Atari GEM Desktop!!!!!!
Arrggghhhhh!!!!!
(Flame icon as I my head catch fire I get any more angry with my sanctimonious, so called Apple using brethren! )
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Anonymous Coward
@ Ted #
Yebbut, surely you should have been able to update the first one without having to buy the other 13?
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Mick F
Breaks as it updates - it's Apple! #
"Problems after installing the combo update are uncommon." - It crashed two of my machines, I had to use it because the built in updater stalled at about 2%. My Buffalo USB drive has now stopped working.
Apple updates - average @ best!!
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Giggle #
<---- sits in corner chortling to self, where's my ZX81 update tape?
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Anonymous Coward
@James O'Brien #
You do realise that if you boot Windows with the left shift key held down, it disables your startup programs, right?
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457123.aspx
Think your high horse might have just thrown you.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
Anonymous Coward
rong!!!! #
u lot r rong abut macs. Dey r supa specil oresum nd neva hav problems eva!!
stev jubs is da man nd billygates is fule.
ne-way must go now.
kthnx bi
lol
xxxxxxxxxxx
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:10 GMT
N
Cant see what all the fuss is about #
Took a TM backup then all Macs updated no problems, it downloaded in a few minutes & completed without a hitch.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Anonymous Coward
why are people ok with the excuse. #
.. its caused by a 3rd party program installed.
This is NOT a valid excuse for any OS, linux,windows or OSX. They al have 32rd party programs installed on them and should be able to account for that, the only time this would be valid was if the 3rd party program was replacing system files, but in that case why were they able to do that in the first place!
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Tim Walker
Installed flawlessly on my iMac... #
...just like every other automatic update I've done since I bought it. I'm beginning to feel short-changed.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Anonymous Coward
i wonder #
this is happened last time
a small percentage of OS X user had troubles with the update, but the internet media blew it all out of proportion because it was OS X. and then all the pc-trolls out there get on their soapbox and start shouting about how finally they've found proof that OS X is just as rubbish as their OS of choice, when in fact, the vast majority of users have no problem at all with the upgrade.
unlike windoze, where if there is a problem with their service pack, it seems to affect most users
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Dan
Update went fine #
I downloaded the update, ran the installer, had tea, came back, found the installer asking me to hit OK to reboot.
Hate to say it, but it feels snappier.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Eddie
Joining the throng #
With any operating system there is a small chance of an upgrade doing unpredictable things - it could be Windows, MacOS, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, TOS, whatever, these things happen.
What matters is whether the company concerned acknowledges any errors, posts fixes, workarounds or if they just turtle and let "the community" sort things for the hapless users.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Geoff Campbell
Damn it, you took all the good ones. #
So I'll just say:
<Snigger!>
Tux, because when Linux screws up, it does it with style and purpose.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Mikey
A commentard? #
See, this is why I enjoy El Reg. The commentary on either Apple or This Old Box or stories about willies...all bring a "One Foot in the Grave" feel...I just know it's coming and yet I have to keep watching.
"Oh, I dooon't BELIEVE it!"
Cheers by the way, the update was lovely thanks.
And being a app minder daytimes, I do enjoy some eyecandy in my hometimes. ...
One of those 'oh fekkin arse I'm still a fekkin written in fekkin Visual Basic fekkin sold globally how can that fekkin happen' app minder....
mmm Leopard eyecandy..oo look at that Expose...shucks and you can spot my Aunty's face in a crowded photo?
Oh, stop it. And you run faster on the same hardware than the previous version. See, this is why I still come home nights.
OK, I'm done, carry on gentlemen.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
James Robertson
works fine #
just updated,
OSX worked 1st time no problems then updated the beta of safari as well again no problems. Just thought I'd mention it.
And in the interests of being impartial, Not had any problems with my Vista upgrades either. I use both OS depending on what I want to do with my computer.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Anonymous Coward
...and the reason I've got a Mac? #
Because after nearly 15 years working with Windows systems, I realised that I'd be better off ditching them for ANYTHING else. I was even considering getting a Sun!!!
OK, if once every couple of months you have to boot into safe mode then you're laughing.
Do you know how many times I had to boot into safe mode on any single one of my PCs? I lost count. One of mine BSODd the first time I plugged my USB scanner in FFS.
Besides which, having a unix OS (and yes it is, under the hood) is much better than having some ad-hoc POS.
I'll just say one word to all the MS fantards out there - "REGISTRY" mwah ha ha ha!
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Slik Fandango
Perfect update #
No probs at all. Infact never had a problem with ANY update.
It just works - but statistically there will be some that fail.
Strange - in the 8 years since I purchased my angle poise iMac, I have only had two major crashes (one where I powered off an external hard drive by accident), none caused by updates!
St Steve - I'm ready for you!
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Anonymous Coward
There's nothing wrong with this update!! #
So a very small number of people that have played about with their Macs have had problems... the vast majority have had no problems whatsover.... so yet again a non-event. Most of these comments seem to have come from people who wouldn't know a Mac if it bit them on the backside.
Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 09:12 GMT
Wrenchy
@O'Brien #
> Looking like a total twat = OSX
I LIKE IT!
> Doing something shady = *nix
I LIKE EVEN MORE!
Apple Mac "It just works" (except when it doesn't).
ROFL.
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